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“I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.” - Alexander Acosta

Who cares what the CIA did 60 years ago? Why isn't NPR reporting on what they may be doing now?

Because finding out that the research on "mind control" continued would be a big scandal, and in the past journalists like Gary Webb and Michael Hastings, who uncovered scandals about the CIA, did not to end well. Probably the CIA didn't kill them, but I'm convinced it contributed to mess up their life enough to disrupt their work. Intelligence agencies around the world consider themselves, rightfully or not, guardians of national interests. If a journalist works to uncover stories that could damage them, she/he may be end up being considered a threat not only to the agency, but also to national interests and that would put she/he at risk. Since there are not enough structures in place to let unjust behaviors on the part of intelligence to be scrutinized, researching on such things is not something I would do without also expecting ill-fated consequences.

There should be a gig-economy job board for all those fearless souls who volunteered for a one way trip to mars to put that reckless abandon in service to the work of doing thankless life threatening tasks like ghost writing articles for leakers and whistleblowers.

> Probably the CIA didn't kill them

Wasn't Gary Webb found with two bullets in his head? Sure, it's possible that he fired those himself. But it's still highly suspicious IMO.

How would he fire the second bullet?

By not dying after the first. It happens.

it is also possible for a firearm to doublefire. its most common with un maintained semi auto pistols, but can happen easily enough with large calibre revolvers, due to the recoil.

It doesn't have to be unmaintained. A 1911 pistol can be made to bump fire pretty easily, especially if you have it in a weird position. While it really isn't impossible, if you take kind of a Bayesian view, the likelihood that it was mis-attributed murder probably goes up considerably once you restrict yourself to the subset of double gunshot suicides.

On wikipedia [1] it says "Multiple gunshot suicides are rare, but possible. In one study of 138 gunshot suicides, 5 (3.6%) involved two shots to the head, the first of which missed the brain."

I think that when Gary Webb commited suicide the CIA had already successfully disrupted his work and had no need to kill him. Example had already been given. However, was he still a threat and messing with his life wasn't an effective option, would they have killed him? They have done far worse things.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_gunshot_suicide

> Probably the CIA didn't kill them

You are kidding right? Those two bullets in his head were a clear message.

The CIA only kills people by extension. It is a "contractor" that does the wet work. This is known as CS work [Clandestine Services]

...if you would like to explain yourself [D-voter] rather than hiding, im ready. Here is an opportunity to look around and see how it really works:

https://www.cia.gov/index.html

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service

feel free to offer your service to your country, if you think you qualify.

You know the story of the Zen master and the little boy?

its a horrible, and wonderful, story, but we will see, if we work willfully, wont we?

> Who cares what the CIA did 60 years ago? Why isn't NPR reporting on what they may be doing now?

Short answer probably is we don't know what they're doing now because it's still classified and no one inside has leaked much recently and no reporter has gotten a break. As for not reporting what /may/ be happening NPR is pretty good about not wildly speculating with no evidence.

If they're behind all these mass shootings can we as a nation get together and put an end to these goons? Because that is what is being hinted at here--that there are drugs capable of mind controlling susceptible individuals. It is not science fiction is what we're hearing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

"Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early 1950s and attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes."

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" - William Casey (CIA director 1981-1987)

Puts a lil spin on "fake news"

Because in the context of Epstein, intelligence doesn't necessarily mean CIA. Seriously, we can't say "Mossad" on Hackernews without getting flagged, can we realistically expect NPR to go there?

Worth noting that the father of Ghislaine Maxwell (who was Epstein's partner and "procurer") was a Mossad agent.

Hard to believe this all doesn't go far beyond a mere prostituion service for the rich and powerful.

Not to mention Robert Maxwell also died in mysterious circumstances.

I believe that some people definitely care about what their secret services did 60 years ago.

I find these archives very useful in understanding how they operate and what methods that use. 60 years later but are they now that different than before? Some things don't change.

I think it's more or less the "We don't benefit if we give that to the public but we have to spend a lot of time double checking so maybe we just don't do it" mindset.

Whitney Webb did an amazing job researching Epstein and the CIA's use of sexual blackmail over the past 80 years in her four part series:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epste...

Definitely worth a read.

Indeed.

The current narrative being pushed is that Epstein was simply a pimp for the rich and powerful. It's clear there was much more going on though.

Indeed, wondering what kind of things we can find in the secret archives...

I don't think that's clear at all. It certainly seems plausible that it was just an excuse to show him leniency because he had dirt on powerful people.

Anything that the CIA is doing now is protected with "national security". They can do it with anything they are related to.

Former CIA Officer Kevin Shipp [explains how this works and how it is completely misused](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQouKi7xDpM)

Reference: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-was-told-epstein-belo...

I think part of it, is that it's much easier and palatable to talk about what happened a long time ago.

What is happening now is a 'conspiracy theory' until at some point in the future it becomes historical fact.

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