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"I’ve worked with many web designers in the past who only did abstractions and then handed over pictures to be chopped and implemented by “HTML monkeys”."

Are there actually designers who don't have to get their hands dirty with HTML/CSS? I've never met 1 in my 8 years of designing and building sites. Sounds like a nice gig.

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I've worked with many at various design and ad shops. However, they design for other media as well and aren't expected to know HTML/CSS. I've been handed "web" layouts in Quark before. It surprises me that the same would happen in dedicated web shops. Sound like bad hires to me.

Our graphic designer -- correction, art director -- does visual design and hands it off to production artists who turn it into HTML using Dreamweaver, or break it into Flash chunks. Want to know how big our art department is, including her? Three people.

Where I work too, there are designers who do mockups (in photoshop) who hand it off to developers to create them in HTML/CSS. They understand HTML enough although to not do bone headed designs that are really convulted to do. It saves me time from having to create it myself.

Converting mockups from "the layout guy" into HTML/CSS was my first non-food-service job in high school, but this was about six years ago, at a small advertising firm that did more print work than web work.

I think the confusion comes from referring to the person who does the mockups as a "web designer." I have yet to meet a person with that title who does not know HTML or CSS. The people who don't get their hands dirty with the coding are usually referred to as just graphic designers.

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