And this is how fascism spreads. Thanks EstoniaTechLead for trying to seduce people into giving up their morality.

These are bad actions but for "the greater good"? You don't get to have it both ways. Protecting yourself without torturing people is 100% feasible and your argument should only be heard in a war crimes tribunal from the defendant'a lawyer to ease their sentence.

Morality isn't hard, but the implementation can be.

You're correct but these examples mean extreme caution and mistrust are warranted against anybody advocating any such steps.

I deleted my previous comment, that assumed you reasoning is devoid of ethics. I don't know what "ideal world" or "non-ideal steps" you were implying, so I won't get into that. However, I can't stress enough how dangerous your line of thinking is. "The end justifies the means" is the poster-child for how tyrants justify atrocities.