This. Adding to that, drugs do help accelerate the whole 'friendship' process a lot.
What? Are you implying that people with values and responsibilities can't be atheist or irreligious? How about people who don't go to church due to not living in a country as religious as the land of the free, do they lack values or responsibilities? Also how does that relate to my previous post? I just don't understand your post at all.
To your original point about drugs helping you make friends, I'd argue that you're making friends because 1. It's a shared experience, and 2. It's taboo, which forces extra trust between you and everyone who joins. Not so much as an effect of the drugs themselves.
Others in this thread dislike that you're suggesting drugs as a way to make friends because, well drugs are taboo. It's not like you can just post "Going to a rave and doing shrooms" as a meetup event online, nor can you invite your wife and kids to go camping and do LSD, so your suggestion is not very helpful for the kinds of people here who would be having a hard time making friends in their adulthood.
They said "people who have values go to church", which isn't the same statement. It's equivalent to "people who don't go to church don't have values". A -> B is equivalent to non-B -> non-A and so on.
>To your original point about drugs helping you make friends, I'd argue that you're making friends because 1. It's a shared experience, and 2. It's taboo, which forces extra trust between you and everyone who joins. Not so much as an effect of the drugs themselves.
We are in agreement there. The community aspect is paramount.
>It's not like you can just post "Going to a rave and doing shrooms" as a meetup event online
You absolutely can. Hell, I've been to plenty of those. (Of course they won't explicitly mention the drugs but given the clandestine or ephemeral setting and the kind of music you know what to expect.)
>nor can you invite your wife and kids to go camping and do LSD
Okay I admit I chuckled. Note that many festivals or similar events have whole families attending, complete with spouse and kids. Presumably the parents take care of the kids and don't give them acid but that doesn't prevent the friendmaking with fellow festival goers.
>so your suggestion is not very helpful for the kinds of people here who would be having a hard time making friends in their adulthood.
Most ravers are in their adulthood. Raves have been a thing for 30+ years, some of the early adopters are old enough to have grandkids.
Edit: I see now that you were merely replying to someone else that misquoted me. Know at least that my original post was not to say that only church-goers have values.
I think I've figured out how people don't make friends though. They find identity reasons not to. "I have values and responsibilities. I cannot do this thing." Or "I am an X. I cannot hang out with these people."
Genuinely I'm quite happy with my friends. We hang out absolutely sober now and run 10ks and half marathons together. We have each other's location shared and meet many times a week and occasionally randomly text to see if we want to hang out.
I made the majority of these friends after the age of 30 and everyone told me you can't have this spontaneity at this age. Turns out you can. You just need to find the other people.
And where are the average person's children over this weekend while the parent is busy getting high?
Socializing as parents is easier anyway. But even if you don't want that kind of thing, then it's up to you to make your life.
Besides you can come to a festival with your kids. You can hang out with your friends while they're getting high and just not partake. When we camp for longer festivals at least one of us will just not do drugs at all so we can have an assured ride home. And there are definitely little children around (though it's not common) at some of the friendlier mainstream parties (like the Anjuna Weekender)