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AI that detects AI seems entirely plausible. And like all “anti” measures, is another arms race (and if I put my scifi hat on, is what may lead to AI self-awareness).

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Sort of reminds me of a talk Valve gave about creating an anti-cheat for Counter-Strike using AI. When asked if they were worried about people using AI to create cheats to fool the AI, his answer was essentially that it was an arms-race won by the person with more data/processing power. That person would most likely always be Valve.

Link to talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc

It's a nice sentiment, but there are popular and easy-to-find cheating projects (not sure if I can name them here) that are still widely used, these projects have been active for years, before that talk was made, and still active today. Based on youtube videos and comments it seems many users are still using these cheats with little issue. And afaik, the one I'm referring to (initials P.I.) doesn't use any machine learning at all.

In Greg Egan's _Permutation City_ this is mentioned in passing (an arms race between AI video call spam bots and AIs screening the calls for spam while impersonating the owner of the phone).

The anti-spam software loses because eventually having self-aware AI view spam calls 24/7 was considered torture and they weren't allowed to go that far.

Typically the AI to detect the AI is exactly what they use to train networks like Deep Fake in the first place. GANs are effectively just a local arms race between two machine learning networks.

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