How is this not the mother of all slippery slopes?
Should all political parties - apart from the one you currently support - ought to be denied service from, well, any and every possible service provider?
Companies make or break partnerships based on how they affect public opinion (see the recent Chick-fil-A situation)
Which particular fragment of "public opinion"?
Allowing public opinion to directly and immediately govern whether something is allowed to happen risks handing power to tiny but vocal - or simply well-funded - groups.
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
Have you considered the extent to which your opinion is influenced by the long-running political propaganda campaigns designed to villainize ICE as much as possible and discourage hard realistic discussion about solving problems? I'm not saying you have to agree with ICE'd methods or what they are doing, but the border situation is not as simple as political opportunists would have you believe.
I ask largely because from what I have read (from multiple sources that I trust), the claims made about ICE are largely true - in that they are engaging in inhumane actions against people at the border. To me, from what I have read, it seems well-documented and supported with a lot of testimony, first-hand accounts, video, and images. Satellite photos, even.
That's why I'm curious why you're asserting that it's propaganda. I don't see evidence of that.
ICE doesn't conduct border operations, that's the domain of Border Patrol. Considering you don't even know this basic fact, what else might you be completely wrong about?
I’ll also note that you are yourself not accurate in stating that “ICE doesn’t conduct border operations” - in fact, ice.gov/about says specifically:
> The ERO directorate upholds U.S. immigration law at, within, and beyond our borders.
Thus it is not accurate to say that “ICE doesn’t conduct border operations” - they themselves say they do.
I think what you’re trying to do is set up then knock down a straw man: I never said anything about patrolling borders, and I’m well aware that CBP is the agency literally patrolling the border. You picked a specific interpretation of a broad statement in a blatant attempt to make me look dumb, which goes against what HN ostensibly stands for.
OK, I'll bite. You originally stated: "...in that they are engaging in inhumane actions against people at the border. To me, from what I have read, it seems well-documented and supported with a lot of testimony, first-hand accounts, video, and images. Satellite photos, even."
What, exactly, are you referring to? What ICE operations have occurred at the border involving any of the above claims?
> I think what you’re trying to do is set up then knock down a straw man: I never said anything about patrolling borders, and I’m well aware that CBP is the agency literally patrolling the border.
No, I assumed that your reference to "satellite photos" at the border involving ICE is probably wrong considering the border itself isn't really their domain. Whatever the ERO directorate "upholding U.S. immigration law at" the border may mean, it probably doesn't involve any spectacular incidents captured on satellite photos or video. But maybe I'm wrong and you have a source to show me otherwise.
> You picked a specific interpretation of a broad statement in a blatant attempt to make me look dumb, which goes against what HN ostensibly stands for.
Not knowing the exact specificity of what government agency performs what functions in a particular area doesn't imply stupidity; so no, I wasn't attempting to make you look dumb. I was, however, attempting to get you to consider that you could be wrong. [Edit: reading my original comment again, I will concede it was a bit of a smug snipe. Clearly too smug, considering what you found on the ICE about page.]
As to the original request for information, while not unreasonable at all, it would take some time to competently source and present. But I will note that to me it seems obvious that the rhetoric surrounding ICE really only started in earnest after Donald Trump took office. I never observed this level of frothing criticism of that agency under the Obama administration, even though Obama's ICE, by and large, operated exactly the same way.
Do you disagree with this assessment?
1- His administration took a bad situation and made it objectively worse, and people (rightfully) got upset about that. Across all border-related agencies, things seemed to take a nosedive: Obama’s DHS(? ICE? I forget which one specifically) wasn’t in court arguing that they had no legal obligation to provide soap to detainees, for example.
2- People absolutely overlooked a lot of what Obama’s administration did wrong. That’s a fair criticism: I know I personally should have paid more attention.
I think what bothers me about your question is that it seems to imply that one shouldn’t be upset about things because “the other guy did it.” But that doesn’t excuse this administration. And I’m furious that Obama’s administration did similar things, now that I know! And if Obama’s administration were still somehow in charge... I would loudly protest them as well.
It’s wrong, no matter which administration is doing it.