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The regulation you cited only applies to new construction, and according to link you gave adds about $50 to the cost of the house. This is not going to stop anyone from becoming an owner--poor people tend to by existing house, not new construction.

A level 2 charger is not much different from an electric clothes dryer as far as your house electrical infrastructure is concerned, so when putting in support for the later it is cheap and easy to put in support for the former, too.

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That was just one example of the many new requirements that make houses more expensive. Solar panels will now be required on all new homes. Also fire sprinkler systems are required, adding somewhere between $5k-$10k in costs. Each new regulation might seem okay on its own, but all of these things add up.

Speaking of building regulations and solar, I stayed in a house that was completely powered by solar and wired with DC for lights and electronics. You can't just add an AC outlet in the kitchen for a coffee grinder, though. If you have even one AC outlet, you have to wire the entire house to code -- useless and unused AC outlets every few feet along the hallways, AC outlet in the bathroom even though the inverter can't handle most of the things (e.g. hair dryers) that would be plugged in in a bathroom.

What poor person is using a coffee grinder is sort of my original point.

Huh? Whole bean coffee doesn't cost any more and some grinders are quite cheap? The vast majority of poor people have smartphones, and those are much more expensive.

Coffee grinders are ten bucks and beans last longer if they're not ground.

Also, everyone has the things that they choose to splurge on, even a poor person. When I was dirt broke in college I still bought 2 ply tp because dammit life is too short to deal with anything less. I don't regret it.

Those are much better examples that the electrical outlet in the garage.

Solar is probably a bad example because it's likely to be net profitable.

No, it makes the upfront cost of a house more expensive, it is a fine example.

Basically nobody buys a house outright, so they're not paying the upfront cost anyway, they're taking out a loan. Taking out a larger loan so that you have a larger loan payment when the increase is less than the amount the panels save you in buying electricity from the power company doesn't cost you anything, it turns a profit.

Being forced to pay for a parking space even when you don't own a car costs you rather a lot.

My favorite part of when I post that example is how someone inevitable tells me how much $50 is not a big deal.

That’s one example.

Now add up all the other requirements.

How much of the $700,000-$1,500,000 price of a 15-year-old house in a coastal city is due to all of these requirements adding up?

2%? 5%? It's not the reason why I was stepping around a homeless person sprawled in the middle of the sidewalk on my Monday commute.

The reason housing is unaffordable is the cost of land, availability of credit, and the self-fulfilling expectation that houses are a good investment that will grow in price.

*cost of land in California

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