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No family? Also if we were talking about the US (which the article was) then you have to factor in healthcare, average of $200 a month for the insurance IF it's sponsored (mostly covered) by their employer. If the grocery worker is living in any major city then rent is bare minimum of $600 a month for the privilege of living with at least 2 other flatmates or around $1000 for a pretty small apartment. So this person's already out half their monthly income. Let's say transportation costs are low and that this person only takes the bus to get everywhere, that's an extra $100 a month (assuming lack of adequate transportation doesn't also ending up costing them their job due to frequent late starts). Now this person also has to pay at least some utilities depending on where they're living so a rough estimate would be around $120 a month for that. Now we look at food, average grocery costs per person in the US is $220 a month. This person also needs clothing obviously, if they go on the super low side they could get by on ~$100 a month over all. If this is it for their spartan life style, meaning no cell phone, no internet, no eating out, no leisure activities that cost money, no hobbies, no children, no trips to the doctor (where medical deductibles kick in), no car, no netflix etc. This person has potentially $460 a month to save.

That's 100% best case scenario living a lifestyle that basically consists of going to work, going home, eating food, sleeping on the floor of their apartment (we didn't budget for furnishings but w/e it's better for the back) using the public library and walks around the park for sole avenues of entertainment. ALSO: THERE'S NO KIDS IN THIS SCENARIO. Some of those estimates I lowballed also (like food as that's average cost of groceries for people who also get calories from eating out at restaurants) so this is really not a realistic estimate here.

In reality though there's plenty of hidden costs that this person will incur and even assuming they do manage to stay kidsless they'll be lucky to put away $100 a month giving them a best case scenario of $250k in savings by 55. Not terrible for them, but not enough to retire on in the US when you think of medical expenses incurred later on in life.

Well as I said those numbers are based on Sweden but I lived like that at those costs (actually 20% lower than that for a couple of years) and that savings level or higher for many years.

It wasn't glamorous but I managed to afford a small apartment, I kept my food budget at an average at $100 a month including a restaurant visit or two by good planning I could keep most meals under $1, I would take the buss out to wholesale food retailers and buy semi bulk, I went to the cinema every now and then, I had internet, smartphone (with some data), computers, furnitures, I went out drinking every now and then, I only bought high quality clothes on sale and no cheap wear and toss from H&M, I traveled to other countries once or twice a year for vacation and visited family across the country every now and then (would go when prices were low or buy cheap tickets 10 minutes before the train departs with leftover seats). I had a good (and frugal) quality of life in the countries second biggest city of the country and didn’t experience any significant difference in happiness from living on twice that now. Main difference is that I travel more (less flexible and more expensive) and eat dinners at Michelin restaurants every now and then.

Thats a terrible best case. With a beater car you can deliver pizza and make $1500 a month in most metropolitan areas. Put aside a small emergency fund. Pay off debts, smallest to largest to build psychological momentum. Once debts are paid, start saving for home if you want. And put 15% in a retirement plan. People go to college paying their way while doing this. They live frugally now and benefit later. They major in lucrative subjects. And they earn good money after (and sometimes before) graduating with minimal debt. It can be done.

It wasn't supposed to be best or worst cases, it was just supposed to show that living under your means do matter and that someone with a fraction of the disposable income of a high earner can still earn more in the long run by saving regularly, obviously a high salaried person with the same mindset will earn even more but that's beside the point. The point was that cash flow management do matter.

I could have made a case with a even higher earner living even more lavish, racking up credit card debt and payday loans, buying stuff on installment ending up even worse with debt interest eating up much of the cash flow, here I simply compared someone living under their means with a higher salaried person living at their means (never beyond).

And don't forget about almighty inflation.

The interest is based on average OMXSGI adjusted for inflation.

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