And the Revian will be road legal in Europe.
And the Revian will be road legal in Europe.
Tesla's lack of reciprocity is disappointing.
Its the early days still, though, so hopefully this will change as Tesla's competitors become more competitive.
There don't need to be any special deals for them to open their network to other EVs. Tesla can just keep the old proprietary plug on their chargers, add on a CCS plug as well, and get on with it.
Granted, the Tesla owners with Chademo adapters often did ok, but that was mostly because so few bothered to buy or use them. The available options would have been just as overwhelmed if more owners used them.
Around here, we are actually have some issues with hotels being hostile towards Tesla owners and Tesla having issues finding properties to place chargers.
You'd plan a different route if there was access to other chargers. There's an EVgo site 5 km from the Madonna Inn. An Electrify America site is going in 19 km from that site.
Electrify America is adding new sites every week at the moment.
EVgo is adding a Tesla plug to their chargers. It's essentially a built-in CHAdeMO adapter. It's dumb having to support three different plugs. The sooner it gets to one plug the better. Europe has taken the correct approach by setting CCS type 2 Combo as the standard plug for all cars and chargers.
> Around here, we are actually have some issues with hotels being hostile towards Tesla owners and Tesla having issues finding properties to place chargers.
All the more reason to spread the work around to multiple companies.
So if other manufacturers wanted to use Tesla's chargers they just have to ask Tesla, pay their way, and help expand the network. At least that is what Tesla is rumoured to be willing to do.
Why does anyone need to ask Tesla anything? What does anyone need to pay?
Tesla can already use other CCS charging networks such as Ionity (https://ionity.eu), FastNed (https://fastnedcharging.com/en/), BP Chargemaster (https://www.bp.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/products-and-se...), etc.
Tesla didn't ask them anything. Tesla didn't pay them anything. So when will Tesla reciprocate?
The comment is not about Tesla cars using non-Tesla chargers; it is about non-Tesla cars using Tesla chargers.
If other car makers want to use Tesla's network they would have to pay their share of the costs of maintaining and expanding the network.
At the moment Tesla's Superchargers are available only to Tesla cars even though many other cars use Type 2 and they now have CCS connectors. Tesla have several times said that they would consider opening up the system to other manufacturers cars if those manufacturers were willing to pay their share of the costs which most likely would be less than the cost of creating their own network. But, no other manufacturer has taken them up on it.
None of the charging networks you mention were set up by the car makers. Tesla's network is part of the package when you buy a Tesla, or at least it was, and is again, for the S and X. It is a selling point that the chargers just work. They have no user interface, you just plug in and it works. You connect your credit card to your Tesla account and away you go. No need for dozens of apps and RFID cards. Every other charger I have tried to use has been significantly more trouble and often simply would not work. Even those that are free in Tesco supermarket car parks (provided by a consortium that includes VW) need an app on your mobile to get more than 15 minutes of charging.
Tesla is not paying other charging networks for the costs of "maintaining and expanding" their networks.
If Tesla's not paying anyone, then why should and why would anyone pay Tesla? This "you must pay us" position is logically inconsistent and hypocritical.
> None of the charging networks you mention were set up by the car makers.
False: https://ionity.eu/en/about.html
> you just plug in and it works.
The CCS equivalent is Plug&Charge (https://www.hubject.com/en/plugcharge-electrify-america/). Even with Tesla's limited charger interface they could support any vehicle with Plug&Charge and any biller.
Thanks. I didn't realize that.
It's not about more conventional but about more convenient.
One example: you cannot throw stuff in the back of the Tesla from the side.
And when it comes to towing: nobody will use an electric vehicle yet. You can buy a gas truck for half the price with the same towing capacity. A gas truck with the same price as the Tesla will have twice the towing capacity.
Give me another example of how Rivian’s utility design is "far ahead".
However - I am interested in neither the rivian and the tesla for their beds -- what I really want is the skateboard from the rivian and the ability to custom build the car I want on it -- if this takes off we can get back to the boutique still car shops of the 20s and earlier.
Since the body of the CyberTruck gradually raises to the roof line, you can’t easily reach into the bed close to the rear window.
and I access from the side more often than I use the tailgate.
Infact my current Truck is a Regular bed, and the one before it was a FlairSide ... I miss my FlairSide that is my one big disappointments in Ford that they stopped making Styleside and FlairSide Beds
I haul every day small items, and home improvement supplies, and other things like that
Sports gear, camping equipment, portable chairs, anything soft that can go on top of other luggage, all go over the side, over the back, however it's most convenient.
More importantly though, is that a lot of this gear is removed from the truck over the side, especially at the beach or on the mountain or at a trailhead, where I'm parallel-parked and can't easily remove items out of the back.
Anyone that used thier Truck for actual work will tell you the CyberTruck is 100% not practical as a work Truck for many reasons not the least of which is the Bed (or Vault) design.
The CyberTruck seems to appeal to Hipsters and Urbanites that want a "Urban" truck, you are not going to be seeing the CyberTruck on the Farm or Jobsite
Ohh it also appeals to Gen X's that grew up watching 80's SciFi
As oft stated, the slope of the bed's walls makes side-loading difficult. This may not seem too significant day-to-day given the bed's volume, but if you're doing commercial work (construction, professional moving, etc), you'll get a lot of items that don't properly fit in the bed's volume. Even the cladding like on the Chevy Avalanche can be obnoxious, if not impossible to work around with some loads.
The body also doesn't look as ammenable to aftermarket modifications as its competitors. Standard racks and bed rails won't be compatible with it, which are pretty much standard mods for any contractor.
On the more elaborate side, you couldn't replace the back end of the vehicle with a domain-oriented work box.
I think a more utility-oriented cybertruck would have gone cab-over like an Isuzu elf, and used a more raditional, if elongated bed-design.
The tonneau cover and specs are nice, but it needs to function more as a modular platform, and have traditional rear end if it wants to compete broadly in the "practical pickup" space.
Great as a lifestyle vehicle, I expect your average truck owner will get more than enough utility from it, and it'll be a dream off-road. But I don't think most of the critiques leveraged against it are being made from the mindset of a consumer who only occasionally needs the pickup portion of their vehicle.
the Load to Floor Height of a 2019 F-150 4x4 Crew Cab was ~36 inches, the inside box height was 21.4 inches, so the Bed Height to Ground was ~57in
They increased the height of the Truck by 1 in but lowered the depth of the bed by 1 in over the 2 generations of trucks
So how exactly did the last 5-6 years change that much?
I am 6'2" and access the side of my truck just fine
The point I was responding to was the person implied that Full Sized truck beds have some how gotten taller thus less usable from the side in the last 5-6 years, this is completely false
I don't think that the diminished utility of sideloading on modern trucks entirely diminishes the advantages of not having sloped bed walls, however.
However I have heard why the utility of the frunk, integrated Ramp, the automatic cover, active suspension and so on would not make up for that.
The rivian doesn't have that feature.
You simply can't rapidly make a new car. Years at minimum.