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> I have never purchased a car in my life without getting at least $7k off the sticker price.

This isn’t going to happen with high demand cars from Toyota or Honda or even F150s.

Exactly, certainly not if we are talking used cars in the Internet era. These dealerships are not pricing cars for $7k+ over auction price unless they rebuilt the title because it's going to show as a horrible deal on any internet site.

I was pretty much laughed out of two dealerships for trying to get $2k off sticker and they refused to negotiate much.

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