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I just finished a yoga retreat, on which they organized the group on Facebook. At the intro the karma yogi requested our phone numbers for WhatsApp, which, like FB, I refuse to participate in (I happily provided my number, though)

You know what? A bit of an obstacle for the organizers and slightly more hassle for me (for example: I'll have to mail one of the participants so that he mails me the pictures shared on WhatsApp).

Else than that? A complete no-brainer for all involved.

I totally get why those tools are used to help organize such an event. They totally got why I refuse to come close to anything Facebook with a vengeance and were happy to work around it.

As an added bonus I was the only one in the group who shut the phone off on Sunday evening and didn't touch it again until the retreat finished the following Friday.

If people really believe that I'm an antisocial hermit, which cannot be trusted? Well, fuck them very much!

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In many groups, that's not how it works - you either join up on Facebook, or all dice are off the table.

If so, then it's quite apparent ex-facto why they want to move to Facebook - if people are not willing to go through that hoop to join in, then why would they want them?

So, you're implicitly suggesting that unless I accept a user agreement of one of the dirtiest companies in business I should not be a part of society?

I'm really rather glad that we quite obviously don't inhibit the same world.

I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law.

To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of.

In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook == the Internet to many people, I don't see why the same rules can't apply there.

> In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right

Can Facebook be voted into a law where it is considered to be a human right? It's possible, but before that ever happens chases are much bigger that scientology becomes official religion and everyone will mutate to look like Moomins.

You're shifting goal posts.

You're moving the discussion from

"You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to

"[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right"

By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument.

And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually dishonest.

I think we can close the discussion here. Thanks for playing.

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