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the two are not mutually exclusive, are they? You can have a ribbon with standard icons right?

I see ribbon as an alternative to the menubar plus toolbar layout, more than visual style.

> You can have a ribbon with standard icons right?

That would be fine, as long as it's possible to completely hide the ribbon.

You can. Just double-click any of the ribbon tabs, or press the "un-pin" button.

That must depend on what apps the ribbon appears in. I have no such option in the ones that I use. But on investigation, a couple of them do have a hard-to-find option to remove the ribbon entirely, which was a welcome discovery!

Every implementation of the Ribbon I've seen allows you to collapse the ribbon, including Office, Paint, AutoCAD, and others.

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