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Simple, the market decides that. If you have a job opening and nobody from the EU applies for your job at your advertised salary then your're underpaying and then arguing in favor of immigration visas in order to fill in your positions means you're exploiting.

If I'm trying to rent out a place and nobody wants it, then I need to adjust my price expectations if I want to rent it.

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It's not "simple", and it's definitely not "the market". It's the market as _you would like it to be_ , for salary-gouging.

I am one of the "evil" business owners you speak of, and there is no way I will pay the exorbitant salary expectations from (mostly) undeserving people. I would much rather outsource and hire people in Ukraine, Russia, etc. Sorry to break your heart, but If I pay $x then I would expect $ x+<delta> value from hiring someone, that's the core of any business.

To use your analogy, if I am trying to rent out a place, and it's basically a tent & a sleeping bag (which in the current job market it is) , I would focus on making it worthy of the asking price or lower my ask.

You misunderstood, I wan't talking about outsourcing which you're fully allowed to do as you please, but about businesses practicing wage dumping here via shady immigration practices masquerading as a benefit to everyone with good PR.

What you call "wage dumping" is what I would call wage extortion & salary gouging, borne out of good old entitlement arrogance.

Sauce for the goose == sauce for the gander.

Again, I see no problem with your approach. One country gets a new employer on the market and another country looses one that's focused on race to the bottom. Win-Win. :)

That's fine if your business can survive like that. In my experience outsourced projects (to companies in Sweden for a lot of money, or companies in Ukraine for what I assume is a fair bit less pay) the quality has been pretty poor. Maybe it will work if you are doing something simple, or is very well defined.

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