Maybe I'll write something to regenerate past front pages, so we can check if things are different now. That should be possible, because news.arc has always logged vote times.
Maybe I'll write something to regenerate past front pages, so we can check if things are different now. That should be possible, because news.arc has always logged vote times.
The other comes from the old-timers themselves. I'm not particularly that old-timer, but in the 3something years I've been here, I can say I have experienced this:
I've grown.
The "5 awesome vim tips" or "super deep closure stuff" articles that today annoy me as fluff were deep and new to me back then. HN was a fantastic site introducing me to amazing things, and it is introducing a lot of people to the same amazing things now. As such, the quest for truly new content needs to go deeper, but the people who need the lighter content are greater in number and enthusiasm, ensuring the fluff rises.
When the older crowd doesn't notice their growth, or the lack of change in content (or the combo) you start to get "it's gone down-hill" type comments.
edit: I mean the quest for truly new content for me needs to go deeper, not that the site necessarily needs to go that way.
Current estimates put the average age on the internet at about 37.
I think this is a very plausible explanation, we are all at different points in the learning process and can only enjoy certain material. All but the most trivial programming articles are above my head right now, and so while I might enjoy them a lot; the HN community would say they are fluff pieces.
Calvin and Hobbes, 16 JULY 1992
" One of the joys of being a kid is that experiences are new and therefore more intense. For example, I'm about to stick my nose in a jar of mustard and inhale deeply! Let's see what it's like. WHOOP!!
See, whed you are oder, you dake your sinuses fo granded.
Some of us prefer to.
2007AUG15 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/1119991071/
2008FEB08 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/2250089864/
2009JAN18 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/3205568708/
2009MAR12 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/3347109733/
2010JUN24 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/4728476663
And pg's appeal for sanity: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=512280
I really haven't noticed HN get any worse in the two years I've been around.
That has been a theme on HN longer than I realized.
And sure, we might be like that dance club that's a bit too mainstream. But pretty soon those early cool kids grow up and are also not cool enough to discover the next hot thing. The next HN will come about and it won't be somebody from here who starts it.
It hasn't just been new users. Rather it has been nearly everyone since the beginning. See what the founder said 1103 days ago about downvoting for disagreement:
http://hackerslide.com/data/YYYY-MM-DD-HH.json gets you what you want. For example: http://hackerslide.com/data/2010-10-15-23.json
Do you provide this as an "api" and allow people to build apps on top of it? If so, are there any limits?
If anyone grabs the same file over and over or anything crazy like that, they'll be blocked, but if you just poach the data and store your own copies, go for it :-)
I mean, there has to be some explanation like this, because it just seems so clear from regular reading that the quality has gone down. Then again, maybe I'm projecting the decline of comments onto the content.
As the infamous "How to Become A Hacker" states "The world is full of fascinating problems waiting to be solved"[1]. There is no mention of those problems having to be "deeply technical".
I certainly see the tremendous variety of topics that make the homepage of HN as an asset in keeping with the true Hacker Mentality.
[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#believe1
Bottom line: sure, hackers care about many problems. But that doesn't make up for the poor discussion quality surrounding many non-tech articles here.
I've seen what looks like fantastic advice and discussion on a range of non-technical topics (particularly things like venture capital/financing and laws around starting a company and that kind of thing).
Of course, not being an expert in any of that stuff I'm at a loss to make a judgement as to it's veracity ;)
"As OPs go further from tech/startups..."
I'm definitely no funding savant, either!
http://waybackmachine.org/20070221033032*/http://news.ycombi...
The first one saved was on Feb 22, 2007, just after the site launched:
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20070221033032/http://news....
Notice that the second link is to pg's announcement post.
Second cached page, Feb 26, 2007:
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20070226001637/http://news....
And so forth:
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20070405032412/http://news....
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20070406195336/http://news....
Bounce on the ▸ icon to page from day to day.
This one has a gem on it from paul:
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20071001102019/http://news....
The archive is not complete, but it does give a reasonable glimpse into the recent past of HN.
[Edit: I think I'll go crazy before getting the line breaks to look correct.]
Perhaps the submitter sees this comment and shares the link here again?