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Could the reason be that the US and the others have different access to the companies?

The US was caught when somebody blew the whistle, just Google for PRISM, for example. China and others could not have done that, therefore they would do something else. They make and ship hardware, therefore their vector of attack would be expected to be that hardware.

Unlike the US though, I am not aware of any substantial attack that goes beyond speculation. There was supposed to be an IC implemented into Apple and Amazon servers according to Bloomberg but that story was refuted and went nowhere.

So far, in reality, we have proven US surveillance(and Obama was very sorry about it) and speculations about Chinese surveillance.

I am not sure that there's much going on here beyond the propaganda.

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Saying US has been proven and not Chinese is the real propaganda.

China has been caught countless times. Anyone working in network security or Telecom have their China story

It is no longer treated with fanfare because unlike US it's is almost common.

Anecdotes of individual cases are not the same as the institutionalized spying and the presidential "oops, won't do it again" once the spying is revealed.

I have no doubt that China or Saudi Arabia or Russia and so on have spying programs and there were cases of revealed moles installed in companies but it's nowhere nearly as substantial as US directly plugging into the systems that run globally and running mass surveillance programs.

Google for Wikileaks, Snowden. Assange. The results will surprise you.

All this debacle looks nothing more than the US not wanting competition. It doesn't even look like the Chinese mass spying efforts are beyond a startup stage when the US spying is equivalent of a giant and established corporation. Actually, not even a startup, more like mom and pop shops of spying.

I think it's alright, US is no longer the country that stands for something beyond nationalism and most of the Western nations are not covered by that American Nationalism.

Uh. What. GFC. Great Firewall of China. It's the same dragnet stuff that NSA dreamed of, only enshrined in law and staffed with thousands of people, and well funded.

They have the technology. It's only a matter of time and economic expansion to get their stuff into other exchange points.

Huawei is a greater risk than let's say Eriksson or Nokia, because there is nothing to even suggest that they have any safeguards against a future intervention by the NSA or CCP. (And users won't reverse engineer every new firmeware update.)

How greater? Well, it's hard to say.

> I think it's alright, US is no longer the country that stands for something beyond nationalism and most of the Western nations are not covered by that American Nationalism.

Agreed :/

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