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And that’s why the only IoT devices I’ll buy use Zigbee (ZWave works too). You can’t shut down a device that I control internet access to.

Sadly this doesn’t scale, it takes specialized skills and time to build out home automation using these technologies.

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It’s gotten easier with Home Assistant but still, even as an engineer I prefer to use the easy APIs for these things sometimes than run my own support system for the Z-stuff

HA isn’t the hardest system I’ve ever setup, but I doubt many non-engineers could do it. I’m thankful it exists, but I’d love to see if someone can create something easier for the general public to setup and use.

Same here, I wouldn't touch wifi-devices unless I there was no other alternative (not been the case yet with the exception of my robot vacuum but it runs on a schedule anyways and I manually trigger it 1-5 times a year). Z-wave all the way. I'm currently a SmartThings user but I'm sort of considering switching to Hubitat. Probably wait till my existing hub dies or ST does something shady/anti-consumer.

I’m using Zigbee2mqtt on HomeAssistant. Harder to setup than smart things, but even more personal control.

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