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3rd-Age: People will finally learn to effectively use vanilla JS, DOM API, HTML5, and CSS3 and will stop relying on transient abstraction tooling. They will actually learn the standards rather than rely on a Tech team's rendition of the next new thing.

Roast me

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Roast you? How about this: a version of this comment is posted on just about every JavaScript post for the last five years and it hasn't changed much.

> a version of this comment is posted... for the last five years

Sounds like he is right and you are too old and averse to change to admit it!

Given that we've gone in the opposite direction towards greater abstraction from jQuery -> React/Angular/Vuejs and more tooling, doesn't seem likely.

I've* (not we've)

No, we've. If you're a professional JS developer in 2020 coding everything in vanilla JS with no framework or tooling, you are in the minority.

I'm just going to link this with no other context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx6k6WR8GRs

Is this a debate one that's based upon what you think is actually happening, or what you hope is actually happening? I admit I don't have a perfect vision of the industry, but frameworks seem very popular.

I started off programming Windows 3.1 in C. So that argument just holds no attraction for me. As far as I'm concerned the browser is a bloated and extremely poor abstraction for building a UI (although it's a good document viewer). Any framework on top of it is peanuts in comparison.

Web Components are the future! /s

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components

Yes! Component design and rendering state changes does not require Vue/React/Angular, wake up people!

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