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Considering mail-in voting has been put through the ringer in multiple states (both red and blue!) with very little voter fraud statistically, it seems like these days the partisan topics consist of reality vs Trump.

This is something that's been statistically proven to work and yet the amount of people I see leaping to his very ignorant claims of this topic here is disappointing. Can you back up the claims that mail-in ballots will be substantially fraudulent at any level beyond baseless speculation?

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A judge in Philly was just convicted of fraudulent ballot stuffing in multiple elections. He actually added enough votes to swing multiple results. If we can question the security vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines, why can’t we also question the implementation of mail-in voting and how it can enable similar ballot-filling and stuffing?

https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-...

Has there been a more polarising American politician than Trump in living memory? Voter fraud is not a constant. It is completely dynamic. Just his Tweet completely changes reality. Now, if it does proceed, we'll see increased scrutiny of mail-in voting, which in turn would reduce fraud. This would then be cited by opponents as another counter-example, when in reality the increased scrutiny was the catalyst.

This isn't what I was asking. You're changing the argument now to try and claim that Trump's tweets would have increased scrutiny on mail-in voting, when in reality most states have had mail-in voting before the Trump presidency and has seen low levels of voter fraud.

You're trying to do a post-hoc justification in attempt to rationalize Trump's tweets rather than answer my argument. I'll ask you again: Where's the voter fraud data showing that vote by mail causes a massive amount of fraud?

> Where's the voter fraud data showing that vote by mail causes a massive amount of fraud?

Where's the data showing that wearing a red hat causes a lot of abuse to be yelled at you by strangers?

The answer is historically, not much. Well, unless it happens that we're talking about a Trump (MAGA) hat.

How do we know how much fraud there is? How much fraud were we aware of at Enron until they went bust?

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