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Comment by t-writescode | Hacker News Reader

I have trouble believing any source that accepts the claim that

> Floyd was then told to step out of the car and handcuffed, and "actively resisted being handcuffed", according to body cam footage obtained the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

When we have video evidence that suggests quite the contrary from a shop nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Tqs06YN_A

edit: yes, I know that maybe he resisted in invisible ways. And yes, I saw him fall over when he was getting in the cop car way up at the top of the screen at the end of the video (partly hidden by the 'watch next!' videos); but is that really sufficient 'active resistance' if you can call it that?

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> "actively resisted being handcuffed"

Even if someone WAS "actively resisting" - which was obviously not what happened in this case as seen in the above video evidence - intentionally strangling someone for 8+ minutes after they they are on the ground under the control of multiple officers is still murder!

Some people seem to believe that "resisting arrest" is a capital offense that the police can punish immediately as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner. The police say someone (usually black) "resisted", so fsck due process and execute them? -sigh-

> intentionally strangling someone for 8+ minutes

That's just it, though. According to the coroner's report, he wasn't strangled.

So what?

I'm not an expert on medical terminology; there may be a more accurate term to use to describe the cause of death. I'm only using the term in the colloquial sense, which (in my opinion) is a good description of what happened according to the video evidence.

But again, so what? Even if the death was technically caused by some other mechanism, it's still patently manslaughter when someone uses their knee to crush someone's neck for ~4 minutes until they stop moving. When that person continues using their knee to crush someone's neck for an additional ~4 minutes while ignoring the please from multiple bystanders to at least check for a pulse after he stopped moving, that demonstrates the intent and mens rea necessary to upgrade the charge of manslaughter to intentional murder.

The technicalities of a medical report are not relevant. If this was some sort of freak accident, the officer should have stopped what he was doing and checked vital signs. If he didn't intend to kill, the officer should have been very surprised and/or concerned when the person under his knee stopped moving and calling for help.

It might have looked to you as if he was strangling the man with his knee, but he actually wasn't and the cop probably knew he wasn't. Regardless of how things look, what really matters is how are, what really happened. Just like that video of the maga kid being stared down by the native American with the drum.

Why is footage always so annoying that the parts like the end are always in some annoyingly difficult angle, or distance, or something? It certainly looks more like he collapsed than tried to escape, but if you made me swear on oath I wouldn't be able to say with absolute certainty what happened at the end.

The source is the coroner's report. It doesn't matter what the rest of the article is stating.

And your video doesn't show what happened up until the time where the cop had his knees one him. There was actually 3 cops on him at that point. How do you think they ended up that way?

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