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Comment by Sir_Substance | Hacker News Reader

I've been waiting for this to come out. Unfortunately, I tried to buy the pinetime late last year and discovered they only sell through paypal and you need an account to make the payment, you can't just pay by credit card.

If there's anyone from pine watching: Please, add a normal credit card option. Paypal is a horrid company. I'm prepared to pay directly with a credit card via them, but I _will not_ make an account with them just to buy your stuff. Please let me give you money without making a legal agreement with a third party :(

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You don't need a paypal account to pay by credit card via paypal. Select "Pay by Debit or Credit Card" when it asks you to login to paypal.

That option is enabled or disabled by the user.

Pine has (still) not enabled it:

https://i.imgur.com/Y1OhCkX.png

In case anyone from pine is watching, here's the doc on how to do it:

https://developer.paypal.com/docs/integration/direct/payment...

It's like....5 clicks.

Interesting, it's enabled for me -- that's how I bought it -- without creating an account. Maybe this feature is perhaps region locked somehow? I'm in UK.

EDIT: it is indeed gated by some vague heuristics[1].

>Buyers don't always have the option to complete their purchases without using or creating a PayPal account. This option is presented based on several risk factors, including but not limited to the buyer's PayPal purchase history, PayPal cookies stored on the buyer's computer, the buyer's location, or a credit assessment.

[1] https://www.paypal.com/uk/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-accept-...

>PayPal cookies stored on the buyer's computer

That's probably why. I use addons that autodelete cookies as soon as I leave webpages because no one has the luxury of pretending they don't know how badly cookies are abused at this point.

I guess the inevitable next step was for companies that abuse cookies to start punishing people for refusing to take their shit.

I reiterate: paypal is a shit company. Pine, please provide an alternative.

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