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I think the fundamental premise on which your arguments are based is flawed.

1. Those jobs don't belong to "American workers". "American workers" : <wink> <wink> now, don't we all know what that means?

2. Said "american workers" have no guaranteed claims or rights to be employed in those jobs. The business no more owes you that job, than you owing them to work there. S/he is very welcome to find a different line of work, if they are inconvenienced. Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it illegal. Report fraud to the FBI/DOJ and Let the judicial system decide it.

3. To the extent the machinations you describe happen, they are no different from the VASTLY more prevalent resume padding, outright lies, outrageous salary asks and general brattish behavior by many "American workers". Should they be prosecuted too?

4. "American IT workers" are already among the highest paid professionals and have FULL + employment, and yet all they do is kvetch 24/7/365. These "victims" you describe, are trying to sell a bicycle - to put it mildly - for the price of a Rolls Royce, while the customer needs a Honda Civic ! And like every spoilt brat ever, throw a tantrum anytime they didn't get what they wanted.

5. If these american workers get off their entitlement high-horse, and stop wallowing in this sea of self-pity, they would be aware how mismatched their skills and compensation expectations are.

ps. i am a 3x entrepreneur, who used to believe in your ideas just as strongly, but my startup experience has changed my views on this subject.

I think the fundamental premise on which your arguments are based is flawed.

We are talking about H1Bs and yes, those jobs belong to Americans first. Once again, the stated goal of the program is The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.

You can make a Nation vs World argument on immigration and jobs, an argument on if a company from a nation owes the people of that nation some allegiance, but this is about H1B specifically and it is being abused. So, according to the legislation that enables the H1B program those jobs are American first.

ps. i am a 3x entrepreneur, who used to believe in your ideas just as strongly, but my startup experience has changed my views on this subject.

So you can profit now from it.

By and large your arguments are that of every entitled spoilt brat ever, who wants mommy & daddy to come rescue them. Get over it! One way or another this is going to happen, the workers you refer to are unemployable in every sense of the word. If not h1b then offshoring or relocation of businesses.

America can't have the taxpayer keep bailing out these "American workers" incompetence, lethargy and overriding entitlement. IMO these "American workers" are trying to sell a bicycle without wheels, for the price of a Rolls, and playing the "buy american" card. Ha! Now why didn't we think of that before?

So you can profit now from it.

"the devil quoteth the scriptures" - shakespeare

-xo

I didn't know wanting the government to follow that actual law was By and large your arguments are that of every entitled spoilt brat ever, who wants mommy & daddy to come rescue them.

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