Triso particles have safety features that may power a new generation of reactors
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* Very low power density requiring absolutely massive reactor vessels for a certain power level
* Very expensive fuel fabrication ($10k/kg), hopefully can be brought down
* Difficult to reprocess (this is probably fine until nuclear produces like 50% of the world's energy, at which we will begin to challenge the fuel resources)
Also traditionally, these are high temperature gas-cooled reactors. A new twist is the molten-salt cooled (basically just melted salt, not fluid fuel like in full-on molten salt reactors) TRISO-fueled reactors. These are called FHRs.
[1] https://whatisnuclear.com/assets/FHR_Project_Presentation_Ja...
TRISO will also make dealing with spent fuel more difficult, as the dry casks are going to have to be much larger.
Also, triso allows temperatures that allow nuclear heat to be used directly in industrial processes and thermal energy storage. These can also improve economics.
So, TRISO is depending not just on the nuclear island being cheaper, but the non-nuclear part somehow becoming less expensive. This probably involves very high temperature, for example for nuclear air Brayton. But any time you go to higher temperature material problems rapidly accumulate.
In any case, there will always be a cost premium to the nuclear part of a nuclear power plant, if only because it has to be very reliable because it can't be repaired if something serious breaks. In (say) a coal fired power plant one can send workers into the guts of the shut down plant to fix or replace things. In a reactor, I don't think that's possible, even if the fuel has been removed. The residual radioactivity is too high.
> All externally heated thermal power plants have become uncompetitive now. Not just nuclear, but also coal, geothermal, and concentrating solar thermal
Are you saying that an externally heated power plant is unlikely to be cost competitive even if the source of energy is free? If not, your overall comment doesn't make sense to me. If so, that's an extraordinary that could very well be true, but I haven't heard anyone argue it and I'd be extremely interested in further reading/links/citations.
I remember reading in one of Feyman’s biographies about how he visited an early fuel plant, and was horrified to see them storing what amounted to a near a critical mass in barrels, in long rows. we’ve come some way since.
I certainly don't have the answer but to how we can make nuclear power fool proof but I do feel like we should still be asking the question.
Seems we are on a global level not very much learning from incidents. These are common (mandatory?) in Germany and colloquially named “Töpfer-Kerze” after the minister who had them installed: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaktorsicherheit#T%C3%B6pfe... Klaus Töpfer was responsible for nuclear security from 1987-1994. This would have been the time to learn.
However, many operators didn't want to spend the money, which is why Fukushima didn't have a PAR at the time of the accident. The problem with Fukushima is that I fear we do not learn from accidents. Otherwise, Fukushima wouldn't even have been in operation at the time of the accident as it is an old reactor model well past its design life. The location was, as we have known before the accident, poorly chosen. Safety measures, such as PARs, seawalls and properly redundant power supplies were skipped or badly implemented due to the cost involved. All this was known before the accident, however neither the operator nor the national oversight took any action before it was too late.
I have a background in chemical engineering and still had no clue that nuclear reactors operate at the temperature of a pizza oven. That's wild.
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2011/03/does-nuclear-grade-...
High temps are very good for efficiency, but are difficult for safety. Only China is building VHTRs right now. If anyone ever builds a supercritical water reactor then it would give you decent efficiency without the problems of exotic coolants.
1000°F = 538°C
2000°F = 1093°C
But the meltdown at Fukushima was caused by lack of decay heat removal after shutdown, which is different from what could or could not happen during actual reactor operation. So there are two kinds of "prevent meltdown" that are required, not one. The article does not talk at all about how, or whether, the type of reactor it discusses would prevent a meltdown of the second kind, the kind that happened at Fukushima.
Also, reactors containing graphite (as many pebble-bed reactors will) do need a oxygen-free atmosphere, otherwise the graphite will ignite. So only convection of the proper uncontaminated protective atmosphere will work.
Why can't nuclear reactors at least have the option to power themselves?
Some newer designs opt for passive decay heat removal, eg through convection.
Some Fukushima reactors did have some self-powered safety features, like a little steam turbine that comes from the boiling coolant and is hooked to a coolant pump. These features are at least a little related to why some reactors failed at different times than others in Fukushima.
But seriously, there is enough decay heat to do more of this so it's a pretty good point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_St._Vrain_Generating_Stat...
Running some kind of heat engine off decay heat should be possible, but it would be very different from the primary turbines, (You probably couldn't use it during normal operating temperatures, but it'd still have to be connected to the coolant circuit) have to be nuclear rated, (expensive!) and only be used in an accident scenario where you lose external power and the diesel generators are then destroyed, or run out of fuel.
This was also the problem at three mile island.
That's the singular safety selling point of Gen IV reactors that have passive cooling features.
It was demonstrated in April, 1986 at EBR-II in Idaho, weeks before Chernobyl. Very few people have heard of this awesome capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Breeder_Reactor_I...
It's immune to meltdown.
The first important safety feature is the fact that it simply doesn't melt. The fissile material is contained in a ball of graphite (which is theorized to sublimate directly to carbon vapor somewhere north of 7000F) and silicon carbide. (decomposes to silicon and carbon somewhere north of 5000F) They tested the fuel at 3200F and none of it failed. The zirconium cladding on the fuel at Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, etc all failed somewhere in the ballpark of 2000F.
The second thing is called Doppler broadening; once the uranium fissile material gets that hot, it ceases to be able to sustain a nuclear reaction. The uranium nuclei are zipping around too quickly for thermal neutrons to effectively induce fission. Normal zirconium cladding fails before this effect can become significant.
The net result of these two effects is that you don't need coolant. As the temperature increases, the rate of decay decreases to the point where the device will passively cool itself without coolant. This equilibrium point is really stinkin' hot, but the entire facility will have been designed around this fact.
The reactor design itself is fairly interesting in its uninterestingness: the only interesting dial an operator has is the coolant pump. If you pump more coolant in, you get more power out; that's it. Turning the reactor "off" just means turning the coolant pumps off, which in most other types of reactors is the thing that causes the disaster. There aren't control rods, I don't think it even has a SCRAM facility.
> But during the INL tests, Demkowicz demonstrated that triso could withstand reactor temperatures over 3,200 degrees Fahrenheit.
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> Sell says. “It is physically impossible—as in, against the laws of physics—for triso to melt in a reactor,”
3200 F = 1760 C
> The first phase lasted only several seconds, with temperatures locally exceeding 2,600 °C, when a zirconium-uranium-oxide melt formed from no more than 30% of the core.[1]
It seems like it's yet to be demonstrated that Triso fuel can withstand the highest recorded temperature inside a nuclear reactor. I get that the physically impossible quote is probably partially puffery, but IMO puffery is not appropriate when it comes to nuclear reactors.
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1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)#Chern...
This is because nuclear power is tightly coupled and complex. Humans have never mastered such systems. We have them and we accept they fail sometimes (eg fires at conventional power plants: 200 plus years of engineering and they still happen). But with nuclear that isn't an option.
This is why people are unconvinced by clever new fuels or "it's totally guaranteed this time" engineering. You can't fix a systems/human nature problem with new fuel cells.
I think that reactor standardization really paid off there. They have few types, a wide operation experience, and apparently well thought-out procedures.
This, of course, is hard to achieve without a massive rollout planned ahead.
Sounds like you have read Charles Perrow's 1984 book Normal Accidents [1]. New fuel systems are actually key to safe design, IMHO. All the major nuclear power incidents, that I'm aware of, are due to one underlying problem: zirconium clad fuel rods produce large amounts of hydrogen during loss of coolant accidents (LOCA). Nuclear power plants weren't supposed to go BOOM but it turns out they do so readily with hydrogen explosions.
Even with zirconium clad fuel rods, the CANDU reactor design seems to have managed the complexity and tight-coupling issues surrounding nuclear power generation; the design, however, never managed to reduce the immense capital costs involved.
Price-per-Performance is all that matters and in an age of cheap natural gas. I'm not convinced that new nuclear reactor designs will find anything other than niche markets. There are many lessons to learn from Charles Perrow but complete distrust of engineering should not be one of them.
The Xe-100 is a small pebble-bed reactor that is designed to produce just 75 megawatts of power.
I should add that I'm thrilled steps are being made to make these a reality.I remember watching a documentary on nuclear power in the US and how the thorium reactor was the focus of a lot of research in the 70s, but I can't remember for sure.
And yes, triso is pretty cool tech. Like the article says, it can withstand exceptional temperatures without any fission products escaping.
If one wants to do some fancier recycling and reprocessing rather than once through, I understand this is relatively undeveloped.