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Germany is pretty pedantic regarding age verification. For porn only closed user groups are legal. I guess providing the ID card would be not enough for the KJM, but I didn't read through all accepted systems. (edit: There is the AUTHADA ID system where you have to enter your eID PIN each time you login). There are very few third-party age verification providers that are deemed OK by the KJM. This describes a typical process they like:

> The Age Verification System is easy to use: the customer simply needs to take a photo of the front and back of their ID card as well as of their face. Then the system makes sure that the ID card is authentic and matches the photo of the customers face to the one on the card using biometric data. If successful, the age is verified – in under a minute. Companies can incorporate this fast and easy process directly into their procedures and identification systems.

After first registration, the user has to use SMS TANs to authenticate each time.

See also https://www.kjm-online.de/aufsicht/technischer-jugendmediens...

Other systems include stuff like logging in with your online banking account so the risk of giving this data to your children is low.

This is all pretty useless since foreign adult sites are not blocked. It just really restricts German companies. This all seems hypocritical to me, especially when you consider how Germany deals with prostitution. I hope we adopt the Nordic model in this regard. Anyway I don't get why the UN don't try to push a viable solution that works international. Everything else is pointless.

> I hope we adopt the Nordic model in this regard.

I hope not. Nordic model is as abusive of sex workers and as harmful as any other prohibition, just with more bullshit.

What's the Nordic model?

Criminalize the purchasing of prostitution services while decriminalizing (but still not legalizing) their sale. Its basically the compromise and leave everyone unhappy approach.

The main issue the the gp was alluding to is that because prostitution is still illegal prostitutes can't get any help from the government as they still face fines. Which for the very poor are only slightly better than criminal penalties.

Also since prostitution is illegal there can't be any government oversight or regulation of the prostitution industry which is a primary benefit touted by legalization proponents.

Why the fines for the victims?

All I know is that Germany's way did not work out. Trafficking and forced prostitution are a huge problem and the police has to deal with controlling legal brothels and fighting against illegal forms of prostitution.

You are mixing things.

Nordic model is a way of implementing "sex work is bad and should be illegal". Whether it's implemented in the Nordic model way, or in the "let's jail sex workers!" way does not matter that much - it's still a morality based law (on the idea that sex is sinful I guess) that puts a whole class of workers to illegality.

Germany's approach is it's not. That you can have sex for money if you want to.

So if you think that sex workers shouldn't exist, of course Germany's approach "does not work".

But if you don't think that sex work is amoral, then Nordic model just oppresses an already marginalized group. For me, that is what does not work.

Fighting human trafficking and abuse is of course necessary, but doing it by hurting already vulnerable and marginalized people makes it hard to believe that you're actually interested in helping, instead of enforcing morality where sex is sinful.

The Nordic model is not based on the idea that sex work is unethical per se, but that the ones pursuing sex work are to a huge extent victims of a failing society and in case of women victims of a society dominated by men. This a huge difference to your interpretation. I am sure that in a world where such factors are negligible sex work would be legal in the Nordic states.

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