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Wonder how long for "The real HTML5 boilerplate" to arrive. http://csswizardry.com/2011/01/the-real-html5-boilerplate/

His real html5 boilerplate isn't very useful. it's basically doctype html5 and css reset. It seems to me he's complaining that http://html5boilerplate.com/ doesn't have a better builder UI.

Maybe his blog post is old? checkout http://initializr.com/

I'm inclined to agree with this: "A boilerplate should be added to, not subtracted from".

I don't use "the" HTML5 boilerplate for that reason. At best I'll fork it, subtract all the extra crap, and use my fork.

It is useful when you're just knocking something quick together as an experiment and you have no intention of ever deploying it in any serious way. The full boilerplate is overkill and actually creates more work for you in that scenario.

Initializr was integrated into H5BP and launched last week. :) See the Boilerplate Custom button on http://h5bp.com

It seems the biggest problem is that the boilerplate seems to act more like a framework instead of just a library. If that's the case, then using this with other frameworks like Sproutcore and Cappuccino can prove quite daunting...

one of the thing about h5bp/mbp is that it gets your project off the ground quickly and right-footed

if you are using other frameworks and feel hard to implement everything in, this can at least be used as reference or inspiration.

Useful for me. I learned a lot picking through it. Watch Paul's talk if you have the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM37XKkmKQ

Here to emphasize how thoroughly enjoyable and useful this is. Eye-opening, if you will.

It's a must-watch for front-end designers and developers.

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