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> Enterprise indeed, including charging premium for features that should come by default.

This doesn't make any sense. Apple has long shipped MacOS with everything included. Compared to the 12! Windows 10 editions (Home, Pro, Pro for Workstations, Enterprise, ...) MacOS is a cakewalk, particularly since Apple ditched charging for upgrades years ago.

> serious file manager

Huh? Finder is decent, pretty much anything it can't handle is probably best served with a proper scripting language from the command line regardless. I'm not even sure what alternatives to Finder are out there.

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There's plenty of alternatives, Forklift and Path Finder are some of my favorites, but rather pricey for what I get on Linux for free.

Last time I checked Finder didn't support dual pane, (thankfully tabs were finally added very recently). It has insane context menu default, (like assigning tags is there, but Copy+Paste is not?) and to navigate to a specific folder directly, it is a nested menu item, (or a 3-key shortcut you have to remember), rather than being right in the toolbar bellow the menu as most other managers do it.

But of course if one wants to do something the way Apple has not specifically said it should be used they're "holding it wrong". Don't worry, I get it.

As for shipping with everything that's needed, it doesn't even have a 1st party package manager, (congrats even MS beat them to it) and homebrew isn't that great.

I get it, dark mode was probably also stupid until Apple decided to finally implement it.

P.S. Not a Windows fan either, so no need to spell out the various editions here.

Commander One is decent alternative, and has a free version.

That's nice, didn't know that one.

Worth noting that you don't get things like " built-in FTP client; ability to mount MTP and iOS devices; RAR, TBZ, TGZ, 7z formats support; Dropbox integration; Terminal emulator"

These are all things Linux FMs have for free, but it's a good first step for sure.

None of this jives with your above comment that Apple is “charging premium for features that should come by default”. They aren’t charging for any of this, they just don’t offer some features you want out of the box.

> None of this jives with your above comment that Apple is “charging premium for features that should come by default”. They aren’t charging for any of this, they just don’t offer some features you want out of the box.

Your comment doesn't make sense. I am saying they're not offering features that come standard, free with other OSes so you end up being charged for this by having to go to a paid 3rd party alternative offering functionality that is typical on other OSes as default.

Even window snapping isn't a thing without 3rd party tools.

> and to navigate to a specific folder directly, it is a nested menu item

Cmd+G - G for Go, and I agree that having to go to the menu bar item called "Go" is not super discoverable, but I found it once, and been using Cmd+G since then. I guess users that don't use shortcuts have more problems with these.

> Copy+Paste is not?

Cmd+C Cmd+V ? I am not sure this really needs an icon. I mean, if you go to the "Edit" menu, you see the shortcuts for Copy, Paste, and Cut, which are the same as on Windows or Linux, but using Cmd instead of Ctrl (which is consistent with the rest of the OS).

> tabs were finally added very recently

Tabs were added a long while ago, 5 years at least. But you don't even need tabs for this. I just do Cmd+Shift+Left to tile one finder window to the left of the screen, and Cmd+Shift+Right to tile another window to the right, and that's it: two windows, side by side.

I mean, it's not i3 or sway, but works fine.

Sure it works fine (enough), however it's not some class in smoothness, excellence or discoverable, friendly UX design, which is what is often being claimed macOS is when compared to Linux.

Not saying Linux is superior on the UX front, but it definitely can be as good if not more productive, it has its issues but they all have, I simply haven't found macOS to be this above and beyond experience that is often being claimed and there was a period I gave it a serious try as it sounded so good. But...it's not really there. I get kernel panics, (haven't seen one on Linux in over a decade), UI freezes, (seen them often on all 3 OSes), clunky behavior, (no window snapping, wtf macOS).

> clunky behavior, (no window snapping)

my windows snap, tile, etc. when I drag a window to a part of the screen, it snaps there.

I haven't see a kernel panic on MacOSX in the 15 years that I've been using it, and I haven't seen one on Linux either, but maybe my workload is just different.

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