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2014: in a year https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-ne...

2015: in two years https://fortune.com/2015/12/21/elon-musk-interview/

2016: in a year https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-autonomous-tesla-d...

2017: in two years https://electrek.co/2017/12/08/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving-...

2018: in a year https://electrek.co/2018/03/11/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-self-driv...

2019: in a year https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-full-self-drivin...

Are you really taking these as promises?

Link 1: "will probably"

Link 2: "I think"

Link 3: "He said he expected…" and "It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available"

Link 4: "He predicts"

Link 5: "He thinks"

Link 6: "I think"

And in some of these he's not talking about production cars, but is talking about prototype vehicles in Tesla's development fleet.

turbocapitalists insisting that a "maybe" relieve people from their claims is the reason why progressive countries have laws against misleading advertisements separate from contract law.

I agree with that, but saying "I think x will happen" is not the same as saying "I promise x will happen."

Keep in mind the word "promise" is being used repeatedly and emphatically on forums like this one.

I didn't expect Musk's defenders to offer up a defense whose cornerstone is that his judgment is so poor and his knowledge so weak that it is foolish to trust even short-term predictions about his own products.

It’s not exactly how you’re reading it, but you could say bleeding edge is how he operates. When there is a 51% chance of success, he goes for it. We’re talking in the lab. For consumer products, the standards are different. A lot of his statements are about the lab versions.

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