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> most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed

So some being systematically disappeared, tortured, and or killed is okay?

Here are a few recent examples of human rights abuses in China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/a-sp...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have their IP taken from them.

In China you can go to prison for years for simply saying what I am saying right now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838#:~:text=U....

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It's so painful to discuss China online. The claim I was responding to - that you called "correct", if you needed the reminder - was that most Chinese citizens are being systematically disappeared, tortured, and killed. It is not correct. Let's not get emotional or move the goalposts?

What you are saying is factual (though you may be surprised to what lengths you can go to re: speech). I challenge you to find where I said otherwise. I was refuting OP's counterproductive hysteria. What you have mentioned here is unrelated.

The original poster that you responded to and that I was saying was correct never said "most Chinese citizens are being systematically disappeared, tortured, and killed". I think you moved the goal post.

>> But at least for some periods in history, most citizens of most Western countries were not systematically disenfranchised, monitored, disappeared, tortured, and killed. Yes, living in America while being Black, Hispanic, Arab (that's me), Muslim (ditto), etc. there's still a lot of anxiety, discrimination, and even danger. But it's incredibly naive to think the people of China are not orders of magnitude more oppressed and in constant fear for their livelihoods, lives, and loved ones.

If "most citizens of most Western countries were not systematically disenfranchised, monitored, disappeared, tortured, and killed" is meant to be contrastive with China (otherwise what's the point?) then the implication is that most citizens of China do suffer from that and thus "in constant fear for their livelihoods, lives, and loved ones".

Of course if you think that's terribly hyperbolic and not a charitable interpretation of the original poster's statement, then there's no actual disagreement.

Did you know if the Uighur s were to take the university entrance exam in china they would get extra points due to the fact they are minority? Despite what the western media reports (in this case a opinion piece lol, where the proof is a spreadsheet) there is a system in china that actually sets minority up for success.

>In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have their IP taken from them

Lolz if you look on Weibo you can find tons of voices critical of the government,

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4461664625535361

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