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Isn’t Laravel the worst performing framework out there right now, like even Rails looks like a viable option in terms of speed?

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Ruby is slower than PHP7+ by orders of magnitude. I doubt it.

Orders of magnitude? Do you thibk that PHP is at least x100 times faster than Ruby?

Alright, maybe an exaggeration. But the difference is huge. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

Well that is a benchmark with a set of specific mathematical problems like calculating pi digits. I would rather compare Rails with Laravel e.g. in terms of requests per second or speed of json deserialization. See https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ Symfony, Lumen and Rails seems to be somewhat equal in performance, but Laravel is a bit slower in respect to the benchmarked web related criterions.

> Isn’t Laravel the worst performing framework out there right now.

I'm more of a Symfony than Laravel guy but I've done both enough to know that application architecture and environment configuration has more of an impact than either framework's "performance" does.

Silly things are slow in most web frameworks.

The last time I looked at a rails-clone framework speed comparison chart rails was the slowest, with some Sinatra clones being the fastest.

No. Laravel performs quite nicely. Rails can't be compared to Laravel, it's slower by an order of magnitude, as mentioned previously.

Any framework bears overhead, they all optimize programmer's time invested into solving the problem. It's cheaper to buy hardware and scale horizontally rather than swap languages and frameworks hunting for performance.

PHP being synchronous by nature is what limits its performance, but we have Swoole that fixes it and makes it faster.

For the ones who will google what Swoole is, some benchmarks I've done on my laptop show 5x (yes, 5 times, 500%) increase in performance when Laravel is ran via Swoole.

> No. Laravel performs quite nicely. Rails can't be compared to Laravel, it's slower by an order of magnitude, as mentioned previously

No, that's outright wrong. Please see the well respected techempower web benchmark: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

> For the ones who will google what Swoole is, some benchmarks I've done on my laptop show 5x (yes, 5 times, 500%) increase in performance when Laravel is ran via Swoole.

Yup, that seems to be correct. What are the drawbacks of Swoole?

> No, that's outright wrong. Please see the well respected techempower web benchmark: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

I just notified the servers I've to manage (and my coworkers) that we're outright wrong and the load we're seeing is phantasm and that guy from internet told us so since he linked the well respected techempower benchmarks, which apparently reflect real world situation :)

If you and your co-workers have both Rails and Laravel in production and your Laravel applications performs better, then I have absolutely no doubt about that. However, there is no evidence that Rails is an order of magnitude slower than Laravel in general, quite the contrary, benchmarks indicating that (non-swoole) Laravel is slower.

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