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Comment by mariomariomario | Hacker News Reader

This is especially interesting because Joe Sullivan is the current Chief Security Officer at Cloudflare. I'm curious to see what happens to his role at Cloudflare, will CF stand behind him or give him the boot considering the optics here...

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Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince has already tweeted [1] his support:

"Sad to see Joe Sullivan allegations. Joe's had a distinguished career as a US Attorney & exec at eBay, PayPal, Facebook, Uber & Cloudflare. Anytime an opportunity arose, Joe's advocated for us to be as transparent as possible. I hope this is resolved quickly for Joe & his family."

[1]: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1296522269313785862

Why talk about optics? This is not about what seems bad, it's about what US democracy deemed is a felony. If I was CF I wouldn't want a criminal mind working for me, how can you trust him when you know he lies and cover up.

I just don't understand this sort of detachment.

Optics are not of essence.

As long as he isn't convicted it's purely optics.

> how can you trust him when you know he lies and cover up

If he lies and covers up in the interest of his employer, that's a pretty good recommendation.

I dunno to me it sounds horrific that Machiavellism is accepted without a pause knowing how inefficient and detrimental it is for human cooperative endavours. History showed us that unchecked Machiavellism causes dynamics to devolve to paranoidic-zero-sum social dynamics. Although is an aspect of our psychology we shouldn't just rationalize it as a force of nature. When we talk we cynically opt to talk about optics so casually that's exactly what we're doing.

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