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> “That’s right, Facebook actually gave some of the money it made from running those ads through its system to the business that paid for those ads. Which doesn’t make any sense but shut up, Facebook is the good guy, ok? And Apple is wrong to be doing this.“

So it appears the author has no idea what a mobile advertising network is/does...

FB aren’t wrong to highlight that this will have a detrimental impact for many thousands of publishers who offer content for free, due to the fact they run an ad supported model.

Let’s see how it plays out...

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FB aren’t wrong to highlight that this will have a detrimental impact for many thousands of publishers who offer content for free, due to the fact they run an ad supported model.

Those apps will still show adverts, publishers will still get paid, and advertisers will still pay to show ads. The only thing that needs to change is the way Facebook choose which adverts to show. Instead of an algorithm based on huge swathes of personal data that they've tracked it'll need to be a simpler "what categories of ads should we show in this app?" form. Adverts will be a bit less effective, which could drive revenues down a bit, but the sky is not falling on the ad model.

The real thing that Facebook are sad about is the fact that they will no longer be able to sell access to the tracking data. That's a lucrative business, and it's one that only really benefits Facebook and data brokers. Cutting off their supply of tracking data isn't a bad thing.

Facebook's and Google's first-party businesses will be totally fine. It's the marketplaces (ad sense, audience network) along with all the smaller players in mobile measurement/attribution/advertising that are going to be harmed by this.

File this under actions by a megacorp that increase the power of them and other megacorps.

+1 on this. I expect Mobile Attribution Companies (like branch.io etc.) to die a slow death because of this.

In the short term I expect companies like Liveramp (which acts as DMP (Data Management Platform)) to get more business because one theory here is all free apps will start to force users to login (using email/mobile number) which effectively becomes another ID you can track folks with across-apps over time.

I'm absolutely fine with this though.

I don't want to be stalked online, and I'll raise a glass over their bankruptcy notices.

Also, forcing users to login may also be in breach of GDPR, if you don't have a good reason to need a login, you're unnecessarily collecting personal information.

One obvious example of this is NVidia, you've paid for the card, yet they force you to login to use their apps.

Another example is Razer, who thinks you should need an internet connected, tied-to-a-person app to configure your mouse buttons. I'll never buy or recommend another product from them in any category.

I also game for this. Let's see how this evolves.

One thing I am curious to see (how it pans out) is if device fingerprinting (IP + Device+ Some other attributes etc. to map you) evolves to solve this problem.

In my experience, it is pretty bad (at best 30% compared to IDFA/Device Id solutions) but I see few companies pitching this as an alternative.

+1 to you sir.

Nail. Head. You hit it.

Do the targeted ads even work? For me I either see ads for something I just bought, or for something I have no interest in.

I often see ads for something I just bought, but I can remember many experiences where targeted ads hit My eyeballs for something I was still contemplating. Whether I bought anything in particular primarily because of such an ad I can’t say, but it seems likely.

@onion2k

Of course publishers will still show adverts...but if your main source of revenue drops 50% overnight - that's going to be a huge problem for a number of content creators...which is what Facebook are warning against.

Most of FB's revenue is direct inventory sold - so this won't be too much of an impact on their owned and operated inventory - but as I say, it's publishers who rely on Facebook's targeting to generate high eCPMs to efficiently monetize their audience that will suffer most.

These thousands of publishers also, unwittingly or not, provide a third party way for facebook to track its users as they journey across the web.

I agree that it sucks for ad-supported sites to lose out. An ad model that doesn't require user tracking would be beneficial for these sites and their users.

They don't offer content for free, they offer content for the cost of giving up information about yourself and having to witness some consumerist propaganda, which puts cash on their pocket. It's a transaction not a gift.

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