Loose Lips Sink MIPS
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Why does the U?S? Government care? The MIPS is a mature design that has suffered from neglect for many years and while its useful I can’t imagine how it could be any sort of strategic asset.
What am I missing?
But any new design would pick a new part anyway, and MIPS could simply be dropped from the candidate list — except there would be no reason to: this deal is China-specific and any US supplier would be buying a license from imagination — or from a merchant chip supplier.
Even if the lower level staff have a good understanding of reality, that could easily be lost in the transmission by the time it filters up to the senior level
Either your comment is about Taiwan having a legitimate claim to the name "China," or you're claiming that Taiwan is rightfully a part of the PRC.
The first one is intentionally awful communication, and the second one is a whole other can of worms.
The one China policy was accepted when the UN removed the ROC in favor of PRC.
If we are talking about international law, governments are free to recognise or refuse to recognise whichever foreign states or governments they want.
PRC tries its best to bribe and threaten other countries into not recognising ROC, and mostly succeeds. But that's realpolitik, not international law.
Recognition of a state does not imply recognition of all its territorial claims. (For example, the US recognises Australia, but the US doesn't recognise Australia's territorial claims in Antarctica.) So a state could choose to recognise both PRC and ROC simultaneously, while not recognising PRC's claims to Taiwan nor ROC's claims to the mainland. There is nothing in international law which prevents such a policy. The problem is political not legal.
ROC doesn't even seriously intend their territorial claims on the mainland any more. The only reason they don't drop them is that PRC would interpret that as an "independence move" and threatens to invade in that case.
The political reality is any country announcing recognition of ROC, even if it insists it still maintains its recognition of PRC, is going to have diplomatic relations withdrawn by PRC, and PRC will also try to retaliate in trade/etc.
> The one China policy was accepted when the UN removed the ROC in favor of PRC.
The UN's policies are not binding on its member states. The UN Secretariat has to follow the will of the majority of its member states as expressed in General Assembly resolutions. But each UN member state is free to choose a different position if that's the decision of their government.
You chose to spread propaganda rather than concede that I'm technically right. This entire argument is pointless. TSMC pays Chinese Tax through their subsidiary in Shanghai. How can you claim they aren't Chinese? Do you even know what the C stands for in all your acronyms?
Do tell us about those 'consequences' your threatening. Gonna send us to one of your concentration camps out West for 'reeducation'?
Just...sad.
What does being a propaganda shill on HN pay these day?
SMIC, the leading fab in mainland China, is now doing 14nm. That makes them about six-seven years behind the leading edge. However, 14nm is good enough for very many applications. A lot of the most critical applications for national security, such as military embedded systems, are several generations behind that.
Anyway, design of CPU instruction sets and microarchitectures is at a different level of the stack from semiconductor fabrication – how advanced you are in one does not directly correlate to how advanced you are in the other. CPU design is about getting the maximum performance and features out of the budget provided by the fabrication process, power and thermal constraints, etc. How good the best fabrication process you have available to you is doesn't really say anything about how good you are as a CPU designer
If those people were right, little weak Taiwan is somehow able to withstand the force of Chinese industrial spy agencies to learn its secrets. That’s idiotic. China has vastly more resources and could easily get the secrets if it wanted. The fact is, building great processor manufacturing is extremely hard and knowledge has to be developed within to overcome future hurdles.
That's like saying cheating in school makes you smarter and more capable. That might sometimes be true, for example if it helps you reallocate resources more efficiently, but its highly context dependent.
There exists a biased, Western narrative that casts Chinese and East Asians in general as incapable of originality or novelty; that all they do is copy the hard work of Westerners. This is less true of Japan or Taiwan today, but it was very much true of Japan throughout the 1970s and of Taiwan throughout the 1990s.
If we stand back and take an objective look at how industrial and scientific "copying" actually works in practice throughout the world, including among the leading industrial nations, I think it would show the China narrative to be exaggerated. Moreover, the narrative, whether true or not, is dangerous. It causes us to underestimate their prowess, and to the extent we assume that by disengaging and preventing copycat behavior we'll stave off a rising China, we're in for a huge surprise. Not only will China continue to rise, but in setting up an Us vs. Them world we'll have accomplished part of their Divide & Conquer strategy that China will inevitably (and, indeed, already has begun to) employ. And the risks will be greater as without strong bilateral ties--including ties that appeal to the self-interests (e.g. money) of powerful domestic organizations--resort to military aggression becomes a more prominent and easier option for both sides.[1]
[1] Why did the U.S. invade (a 2nd time) and then conquer Iraq, and is constantly on the verge of war with Iran? Because sanctions don't just cut off a country from the U.S., they cut off the U.S. from that country, which means there's no domestic political pressure to avoid war beyond the enlightened beliefs of a diminishing minority. That's why Saudi Arabia constantly gets a free pass--because of the strong U.S. business interests in Saudi Arabia, not merely because of oil, per se, of which there exists plenty of alternatives around the world. Similarly, it's also why Saudi Arabia has always been much more circumspect with their support for terrorism, which is something worthwhile as Saudi Arabia might otherwise provide much greater support for terrorist organizations if they weren't so concerned with protecting their American relationships.
Why is a Chinese citizen allowed to come to the US to buy property or start a company - but if I want to do the same thing I am forced by Chinese law to give half of it away to a Chinese "partner"?
China wants to have it both ways: concessions for 3rd world developing economies yet to be treated as a world power with its own technology and innovations. China wants the benefits of trade, yet manipulates the hell out of its currency.
The current US administration is certainly hamfisted and inept, no argument there. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. People are right to be upset about some aspects of China's policies. That doesn't mean punishing Chinese companies is a good solution, but the US is also under no obligation to just sit here and let China do as it pleases while talking out of both sides of its mouth.
Not to defend the British whose IP was being pilfered, they’d done the same in their turn.
It was ever thus.
Cite for that? Especially that bit about the goal of pushing the Chinese population back into poverty.
My impression is the situation would be quite different if China was not run by authoritarian communists.
The entire reason that development existed in the first place is that the US allowed it despite completely unfair market access and more than a few provocations. Maybe if the CCP equalized market access relations would be better - but that's incompatible with their iron grip over society.
But in the middle, like the I-7200 or I-6500, they have very good cores and related IPs (like a coherent LLC). From last time I looked, still much more mature than anything from RISC V suppliers for example. If the I-7200 used the RISC V ISA (with extensions), it would likely be a reference in its class. Instead MIPS went with a new compact ISA that nobody cares about, too bad. Of course, the RISC V suppliers will mature over time and will at some point offer competitive or better solutions. But right now, the quality of some MIPS IPs shouldn't be underestimated. It would be too bad if this were wasted, but unfortunately it could happen. Hopefully the IP and people behind it will be acquired and the know-how will end up in coming RISC V chips. One can hope...
If someone stepped up with nation-state levels of investment, I think you could see some very interesting outcomes. That's the concern.
> It’s been a long, strange trip for MIPS. What started out as a university research project (under Dr. David Patterson, no less)
while https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-CHINA/TECH/yzdvxxdlnvx/USA-... has the more correct:
> MIPS was developed in 1981 by Stanford professor John Hennessy and his students
SGI used MIPS to make big servers (and supercomputer clusters) back in the day - although I only ever got to play with an Origin 200[0] and the little Indy that was its console. More cost-effective than Sun hardware at the time (at least in the education market).
This all started at the time when ARM was ready to sell their cores on USB sticks to noname Chinese companies.
Classic five stage RISCs are basically a commodity these days.