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I’m amazed you could say this without mentioning that US companies, too, have no right to withhold data from the state.

We have irrefutable gag orders which force compliance with the NSA [1].

FISA warrants are a joke, a rubber stamp at best. Only every 12 in about 33,000 are denied [2].

[1]: https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters

[2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intell...

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Two crucial differences: 1) Chinese law can be used to coerce indivudusls (including presumably tech company execs) to spy for the state. That is illegal under US law. And uf you're a Chinese student abroad, good luck saying no to the Public Security tity Office when asked to spy on other students.

2) US law, however evilly applied, requires a modicum of specificity and a fig leaf of justification. China law has no such need and can appropriate at scale to its bureaucratic desire (e.g, all IP addresses in Washington, D.C.)

I did mention it by saying I don't believe any government should be able to access user data without oversight.

However with that being said, I'm not totally against the idea of the NSA having the power to conduct surveillance to the degree at which it does.

It's one of those things where I am not happy about it, but then again I'm not so pissed off that im going to lead the charge that somebody deserves to be thrown overboard because of it.

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