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No. S/X have fobs and 3/Y have key cards.

I'd bet that a good number of owners don't always carry them around though.

S/X drivers will, since they can't use the phone as a key anyway. And unlocking the car through the app is extremely slow and cumbersome compared to the app (IMO).

You can buy fobs for 3/Y, for extra $$$

Honda wanted to charge me $250 for a lasercut chipped butterfly farts covered key when I bought a car that only came with one.

Tesla sells the fob for $150 which is normal for car keys.

It sells the keycard for $25 which is only $5 more than my office charged to replace a lost access badge.

Pretty silly not to. You can always break or lose your phone.

or even more likely: the battery dies.

Well, you could also loose your keys.

A lot of newer tech products seem intended to move us to a place where we don't need to carry separate wallets/keys alongside our phones. That's a reasonable goal.

Look at how popular credit card phone cases are!

I would never, ever, rely on just my phone battery for access to my car.

Ok but other people might?

Other people might decide to hang a weight on the steering wheel and go to sleep while driving at 90mph[1]. That doesn't make it a good idea.

[1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tesla-driver-napping...

Ok but the question isn't whether it's a good idea. The question is how much it harms tesla owners. It sounds like this might significantly disrupt people who only use their phone and I wouldn't be surprised if a decent number of people made that(poor) decision.

I love my credit card case. It fits three cards and doesn’t feel bulky. It says “silk” on the back so that must be the brand.

I edited that part out, you're right their are some relatively nice ones! But, it would be comparatively slimmer without the cards!

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