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You’re still not answering the question, because your Engsoc Inner Party in this hypothesis is making themselves look inept and inhumane on both sides.

If you were right, some facet of this entire story would be showing the state to be benevolent, that is not present here.

People are talking about benevolence and ineptitude. I'm not. I'm talking about power.

Whether its benevolent or inept or amazing or whatever - its all a show and a distraction to keep you from taking the right actions in your personal life. Your experience in framed by what you see on the TV and read. 'They' are running what you think about and what you do. Rage against Golstein, the Engsoc whatever. But while you do, you are within the system, playing the game that has been predetermined for you.

When it comes to real answers, I think Gwenyth Paltrow said it best :) "Conscious Uncoupling" from all the artefacts/stories of the system is required, to start to reclaim personal power.

> Its the same story as Snowden. These characters (if they are even real people and not pastiches or CGI) are controlled opposition.

> 'They' are running what you think about and what you do.

Without intending to be insulting: Perhaps you should mention to a doctor that you think certain public figures might secretly be CGI creations of a government conspiracy that intends to control your thoughts and actions. This is the kind of belief you should seek an outside opinion on from somebody who is in a position to assess your mental health.

I don't take it as an insult. But I'm perfectly sane. Its interesting that you attempt to smear me though rather than engaging meaningfully with me - but I understand and would have done the same in the past.

If I provide you some evidence, will you take a look and let me know what you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QqxLalvh-4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gVSD2EphQY

Cheers.

Hello, I had a look. The video seemed to mostly chat about how it's implausible for someone to lose the nose pads on their glasses and keep wearing them. This is false. I had one pair of glasses that was quite comfortable even after the nose pads fell off. He also says it's implausible to have a nose pad, then not have it a month later, which is what one would generally expect if the thing was lost in the intervening month.

He talks a lot about how someone looks different under different lighting conditions and says that video compression artifacts are CGI anomalies.

My overall impression is that you should see a doctor about this and ask for antipsychotics. I don't know how to tell people that in a way that works. One of my best friends became schizophrenic and spent years studying the luminiferous aether (this is not a thing) before he died for schizophrenia-related reasons. So it's painful for me to read this stuff.

I'd be willing to chat more. Please reach me at the email in my profile.

Thanks for taking a look, and I guess thanks for your concern. You know though, I do object to your raising the mental health issue here. What you are really doing is failing to engage with an argument, and attempting to smear me. That's your call I guess.

However, as you are advising me, I'll share my advice with you from the other side of the 'chasm'. Be aware that there is a possibility that your world can be turned upside down, and that things you were told were true turn out to be lies and manipulations. I think that the 'great reset' that has started will result in a very different world in the next decade.

My thesis is that the vast majority of people have been educated to believe a certain set of beliefs. In the past this was religion, nowadays it is science. The problem is that most people do not confirm anything for themselves! Nothing. They accept the opinion of experts. So they do not validate anything; they have beliefs masquerading as knowledge. And in fact, science is just a new religion. (I'm not talking about the scientific method, which is valid - just what is presented as science.)

Impossible you will say, people don't believe in science they know! But the trick is easily done. If you want to check another 3min video out you will see what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFLs6nufCj4

To put it bluntly, most people have been so mind controlled, from cradle to grave, for generations, they cannot even conceive that what their situation is.

I'll leave you with this Krishnamurti quote, regards to your mental health: "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

All the best.

Sir/madam, I also was unconvinced of the conclusions the videos put forward. To give a decent hint, the images are definitely mirrored, take a look at his hair when comparing. Just some food for your thought, isn't it also a form of mind control to believe most people are mind controlled? What forms of control do you open yourself to with that belief? Try viewing these videos with the same skepticism you view Mainstream Media. They are similar.

Well, you know they really do use CGI on TV. This was live news footage of the budget shown on UK tv - look at the red case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDYKXMkSRs

The Snowden videos I posted, are a fairly dry analysis of some of the issues relating to the footage of Snowden. Its all on TV - its not real life, but I think the narrator raises some fair issues. We can agree to disagree.

I'm not sure I understand your point that its a form of mind control to believe that most people are mind controlled.

The way I would express it - as a hardcore skeptic - is that I make my own mind up, given the evidence. If the evidence isn't there, I won't accept or deny whatever is being presented. However, it seems to me that most are hardcore believers. If they are told something, or see it on TV they believe it. There is no critical analysis, no requirement of proof, no researching of evidence. Just belief.

That belief in acceptance in authority, not of evidence, is what I am calling mind control.

I may well be wrong - no problem - but I am making up my own mind and evaluating the evidence. In the absence of verifiable evidence, I'm NOT on auto-believe mode, or mind-control mode. I'm on auto-hoax mode, I suspect a trick. And in fact, although it is initially uncomfortable, the world makes far more sense that way.

Cheers.

I understand auto-hoax mode, I just hope you use it on youtube videos as often as on MSM. Public figures being CGIed should raise a good amount of flags no?

I do not take anything on trust.

You're assuming that they (whoever they might be) are actually organized and competent. There is no Illuminati, just a bunch of powerful people who often want completely different things.

Besides, there's really no need for them to go that far. They can deal with actual opposition very effectively already.

The vast majority of people don't even know who Assange is, much less care about him or this trial.

Well, at present, we are seeing a global shift to technocratic governance such as has been foreshadowed in China. I think its pretty organised and competent.

Assange is about being a waste of time and energy to people, to get them involved in thinking about politics, petitioning the government for change from within, that sort of crap. As well as putting us on notice that we are being spied on all the time by our governments.

I can see where you come from. But appearance organizes itself, most of the times unconscient. No individual or group has nothing even close to full control of it. In your 'king of the world' example, the king doesn't really have to take that choice: he's already king, so even before he appeared in scene the script was already being played. He was born being told he was gonna be king of the world, and learned everything in life from that perspective, which was seemed to be accepted everywhere around him. He's not responsible and not even necessarily conscious for instance of how monarchies came to be and how they work. If he doesn't know what to do or think, he has a long line of people waiting to help him out.

"No individual or group has nothing close to full control of it."

Wrong. Full control has been the case for a long time - at least 100 years, possibly thousands. History is so badly mangled however, we cannot read it, but this is evidenced everywhere... I now think that 1984 was actually more fact that fiction.

Worse, our education is such that we are also trained not to observe it. We don't know anything. Really. Say, h2o - water. Find an example of someone adding these 2 gases to create water. You will see pops! and water condensation on bottles - but that is from the air itself. They cannot create water from those 2 gases!

We are on a slave planet, where nothing is as it seems, where we are mostly not even aware that this is the case.

If your experience and understanding of reality is overturned in the coming months or years, bear this in mind. Try not to jump to conclusions, or to lunge out at the first person you feel is to blame for your situation (police, parents, teachers, etc) - these people are as unwitting as everyone else - they believed the stories and disbelieved their own experience.

what group or individual has full control over appearance?

I'm so downvoted here it takes ages for me to reply.

Frankly - I have ideas, but I don't know. You should do your own research and see what you find. In fact, I would suggest that everyone does their own research to confirm or deny what they are presented as truth. As techies here, we should be good at debugging the world right?

All the best.

The thing is you are mistaken and you have 0 proof to what you say. It sounds like conspiracy theories, and nothing else.

I would say I am my own authority on what I accept. However, your authority is the government, consensus opinion, journals, HN - not yourself.

If something is not proven to me, I'm not going to pretend it has been. For most, authority is from outside. 'My teachers/lecturers/TV/parents/etc say this, they wouldn't lie, would they?' Its not malicious, but the lies are propagated. The reason is that no one - NO ONE - is doing their own research to verify anything, lies and confusion are spread.

So, I would say you have 0 proof to believe what you believe. If you try to prove what you believe in to yourself, you will find that you cannot satisfactorily do so. So why believe it? I'm just not believing things that I have no evidence for. And once you remove the un-evidenced crap, a different picture emerges. But you are easy to use the term 'conspiracy theory' to avoid to have to engage with what I raise.

Seriously - take my challenge - try to create water out of the 2 gases. Or to separate them from water. You won't be able to do it. Which shows you how little you know.

We know very little, yes. And sciences fail to admit this often. We are very confused, too. But it seems your just settling for alternative false stories. Did you study enough chemistry to say something like that? Doesn't seem so. It seems you are just watching some youtube video that defies traditional authority with some new bullshit. You said some group has full control of social appearance (for 100years at least), and when I ask for more info you just deviate. On the other hand, I'm sure your intentions are the best and I think you are and should keep being free to think however you like. The great challenge is: what it achieves?