Facebook bans QAnon conspiracy theory accounts across all platforms
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It is. The same free speech laws that allow Facebook and other platforms to exercise editorial discretion and ban unwanted content also allow newspapers, television and radio to choose what to publish and what not, allow businesses to refuse service and the posting of bills, and me to tell Jehovah's Witnesses to get lost when they show up at my door.
Your right to free speech doesn't include a right to force platforms to host that speech. It's up to the so-called marketplace of ideas to decide whether or not your speech is worth spreading, and just as vendors can choose to stock a particular product or not, platforms can choose to host particular speech or not. Even Ben Franklin recognized this[0]. As a publisher he refused to publish libelous and slanderous speech, yet recognized the right of other publishers to do so if they wished.
And yes, this implies that the marketplace of ideas can, potentially, reject a particular kind of speech and that some forms of speech may be more difficult to find a platform for than others. Free speech doesn't imply that all forms of speech must be treated equally or given equal merit, or that society cannot make distinctions between one form of speech and another, or discriminate between truth and falsehood, accepting one and rejecting the other. In a marketplace of ideas, it follows that not all ideas are equal.
If society decides to toss QAnon into the bargain bin of cultural relevance, that's perfectly valid.
Under current laws yes. But the comment you're replying to is proposing a change, presumably to treat these huge platforms more like common carriers rather than publishers. I agree with them on private messages - the carrier should have no editorial control and no responsibility for what users say.
Something like Facebook Messenger is conceptually far closer to texting (or even just sending letters) than it is to a newspaper publishing your article. And I don't think anyone legitimately considers it similar to choosing which products to stock.
For public forums I think there's probably a better middle-ground. Possibly requiring transparency, like indication if a user's post has been edited or partially deleted by moderators, and explaining how posts are sorted/recommended/hidden.
> If society decides to toss QAnon into the bargain bin of cultural relevance, that's perfectly valid.
Normally it's the decision not of society as a whole but rather of a few huge platforms. You may agree with banning QAnon accounts, but what about "anarchist groups" mentioned in the article? Or if the platforms go full WeChat (even scanning for text in images) to make sure your private messages are for the right politicians/companies/groups/laws/platforms and against the wrong ones?
> Even Ben Franklin recognized this[0]. As a publisher he refused to publish libelous and slanderous speech, yet recognized the right of other publishers to do so if they wished.
I'd argue that editorial control over billions of conversations (and thus what billions of people appear to say/support) is far more powerful than editorial control over what a single newspaper says. Silent manipulation of public opinion in this way can even be used to make people less critical of the control that platforms have. I think it's something everyone should be cautious of, even if the current bans line up with what they consider dangerous views.
Maybe massive social media platforms are just bad.
How is YouTube manipulating public opinion?
I'd rather have the freedom to read what I want and say what I want, than to have it controlled by someone who says they know what's best for me.
The more people invited in the more rules.
I don’t use social media, and stick to purpose focused socializing; play music, technical work, etc.
If I don’t have something scheduled I spend the time with myself.
You want more of a sense of freedom? Stay away from people.
If free speech in the real world created a world of "superstition, poverty, social unrest, and war" would I consider removing free speech there too? Well, no.
I sympathize to some degree with your preference: as an abstract idea, I find censorship distasteful. The thing is, I believe social media is doing enough harm to the world, that the pragmatic thing to do is, to put it bluntly, to shut people up.
I think, left to FB's own devices, in a decade or two, it will transform the world into a dystopia of horrors beyond imagination.
My first choice isn't for FB to censor users, but to put it out of business, and investigate the fraud and negligence of its management.
The last time I received a suspension from Twitter it was for calling out somebody for being racist.
These machine learning algorithms don't seem to be much more effective than a word blacklist.
It could be due to some filter feeling that it is inappropriate to use “retarded” as an insult, because it is disrespectful to people with actual mental disabilities.
I am around forty, but twice in the last couple of years a person half my age has taken great offense to me using the term “mentally retarded” to describe people who are actually, well, mentally retarded. So, I suspect that the euphemism treadmill is gradually consigning “retarded” to obsolete vocabulary in any context, and those who continue to use it may be seen as horrible people.
Mentally retarded as a phrase is no more "technically right" than "moron", "idiot", or "imbecile". All medical terms that preceded "retarded" for describing intellectual disabilities. You just like it because it happens to be the term that was being used at the time you learned it. It doesn't make it any more right or wrong. There is a medical term for the concept, its starts to become widely and popularly used as an insult, the medical profession comes up with a new term.
> Up until around the 1960s, the terms "moron", "idiot", "cretin" and "imbecile" were all genuine, non-offensive terms to refer to people with mental intellectual disabilities and low intelligence. These words were discontinued in that form when concerns arose that they had developed negative meanings, with "retard" and "retarded" replacing them
a) society, for its own protection, needs a term for "Person you shouldn't trust alone in a room with a small child"
b) nobody ever wants to be identified, personally, with that term, whatever that term is
Or, is is possible that this movement may be swaying voters in a particular, undesirable, direction?
And I'm not sure you can accuse them of "russophobia" when they are an active Kremlin target. It's more plausible that one of their anti-hacking, anti-disinformation algorithms was over-zealous.