Hacker News Reader

Comment by bipson | Hacker News Reader

not GP, but most immigration systems violate human rights all the time by treating people as if they were people without these rights - or not people at all. Most of the time the legal leeway is based upon them not being citizens (yet). What is the path to immigration in your country?

It begins with a legal dilemma: E.g. asylum is a human right, but how to determine who is eligible? In a timely manner that is. Especially if you have thousands of applicants and (almost) no documents. How do you house people in the meantime? What rights do they have?

View on HN

"asylum is a human right" "determine who is eligible"

Well, if it's a human right, then everyone. But it's not, which is why you have this twisted logic.

There is no right to freely cross borders.

Asylum is a human right, that doesn't mean everyone can successfully claim it!

It means everyone has a right to put in a claim to asylum and have it assessed properly by the authorities.

> There is no right to freely cross borders.

In some circumstances, yes there is.

If there's a war in country A, and non-combatants flee to neighbouring country B out of genuine necessity for safety, yes that border crossing is widely regarded as a human right.

It derives from the basic right to life.

Doesn't mean country B will respect it.

Most countries do, although there is a difference between immigrant and refugee. Immigrant can be you Saudi Prince with billions in the bank. Somehow they never have problems of not being let in anywhere.

Immigrant have no right to just live in another country, refugees fleeing war have that right as long as the danger remains.

Of course there's a right to freely cross borders. Borders are just imaginary lines on a map.

Just as any bird has the "right" to go wherever it wants and any other animal hat the right to go wherever it wants, I have the natural right to go wherever I want.

I'm a free human. As I'm born on this planet, it's my right to go wherever I want to go on this planet.

That governments want to take away that right of mine, that liberty, is just one example of how governments are using the tyranny of power to force people to their will.

That governments are just the thugs with the best weapons is just Realpolitik. This still doesn't invalidate my right to freely cross borders. I never signed away these rights.

Though I might be stupid to try to exercise it.

Borders are just as real as the governments and societies that give you those rights. If you don't recognize them then you don't have rights either.

Remember your rights are my responsibility. They don't work in a vacuum nor can you make up your own rules.

But your "right to go wherever I want to on this planet" must already have limits, right? Do you lock the doors on your house/car?

I'm not going to tell you where I live. But... no, I don't actually.

Then I can guess a few places you don't live. :)

Then there is no twisted logic.

Asylum is a human right https://ijrcenter.org/refugee-law/ https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Article 14

Reply on news.ycombinator.com