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> In the first few months of Nubank, I asked everybody to be here by 8:00 a.m. every day.

> One of my co-founders eventually came to me and encouraged me to rethink the policy. I realized I’d been hiring all these great people and then basically not trusting them from day one.

That's such a common thing in Brazil, having grown up and started my career there.

My first job there was at a fantastic company. Great work-life balance, they actually cared about my well being, projects were quite decently planned. But there was that rigidity on daily hours, and it was such an "ugh" factor in an otherwise perfect job.

The much more lax environment in American tech companies was a huge relief for me.

I'm glad he changed his views on it.

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Same here, grew up and started working in Brazil.

Terrible pay, shitty vacation policy(30 days running after one year, including weekends), often expected to arrive early and do overtime, bosses can be very passive-aggressive if you don't.

Europe has much better work-life balance and benefits, I love my country but there's no way in hell I'd go back to those working ways.

> including weekends

I sometimes tout that even freaking Brazil has federally-mandated vacation time, and then I have to remind myself that it's kinda idiotic and includes weekends and any overlapping holidays (which is meaningless if your job doesn't encompass working weekends), and you can't use those vacation days as you please, but instead are limited to a handful of options. When I was still there it was either take all 30 days in a row, or two 15 day blocks, but AFAIK there was some kind of reform recently that made it a little bit more flexible.

> I love my country but there's no way in hell I'd go back to those working ways

Yeah. I'd only go back if I could work a remote job for an overseas company.

> shitty vacation policy

That's debatable. Canada's minimum vacation policy is 10 days a year, which is absurdly low. Some companies offer more time, but that's only if they are somewhat sensible.

From what I heard, European companies is way more humane on that sense.

Interestingly this was a problem before COVID where you were only working if you 'showed up at the office'.

Now, companies are forced to track output more than face-to-face time.

I think it's better over all. Trust me in getting the job done and I'll do just that - no need for all the other noise.

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