I think there is another layer to that conversation. Frameworks become bureaucratic and boring because they are developed by large teams for large teams. Most developers are working on small projects and need more fun and less maintaining huge amount of boilerplate code that recreates the browser.

The framework that I feel makes development less ugly is svelte. But still, I really don't like the idea of heavy client side websites. It really makes everything more complicated and the user's device slower.

I love the simplicity of Turbolinks, I love how clean svelte code is and I am trying to figure out the "glue"