The Dart Developer Show podcast recently welcomed Chris Sells from the Google Flutter team to talk about some interesting topics including lessons learned from building UI technologies, the evolution of software engineering, new features in Flutter, Flutter Desktop, Flutter Web and working on open source projects.

Use the timestamps below to jump to any topic that interests you:

01:25 -- Chris’ background and work at Google 05:41 -- Challenges and trade-offs in building a UI toolkit 13:29 -- Flutter’s approach to multi-platform support - how it avoids common pitfalls 19:20 -- Navigator 1.0 vs Navigator 2.0 28:15 -- Flutter Desktop for Windows - getting to alpha and what’s left to do for a full 1.0 release 41:15 -- Flutter Web - unique challenges of targeting the web and how the team is approaching this. 47:10 -- Building Flutter as an open source project 51:25 -- Chris’ publications and approach to writing 56:11 -- Final thoughts and advice