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> Apple is notoriously anti consumer on everything from hardware to software.

Yet millions of people continue to happily give them money without being forced to, unlike say Microsoft or Google that you just cannot avoid even if you don't own any of their products.

I was a Windows/PC user for most of my life before I switched to Macs and in my experience Apple has been consistently more consumer-friendly than Microsoft or Google.

In fact my first foray into the Apple ecosystem was an iPad that I bought as a gift for someone, and fell in love with it so much I wanted to develop for iOS and bought my very first Mac for that. So far nothing has made me consider switching to Microsoft or Google.

The only thing I hate about Apple is their poor documentation and lack of official support on their own forums.

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"if you don't own any of their products" was meant to be "any of their hardware"

As in, you can easily avoid Apple if you don't own any Apple hardware.

Not so easy with Google or Microsoft.

As someone that used both, I think you are under the psychology spell.

It's not like you could leave Apple, you are locked in.

It may be hard to put into words why you feel that way. (which is why your post never mentioned anything about quality)

As mentioned opening the iphone box and giving Apple my personal information felt fantastic. The actual performance and quality was extremely dissapointing.

> As someone that used both, I think you are under the psychology spell.

One could say the same for you, but that won't get us anywhere.

> It's not like you could leave Apple, you are locked in.

I have lived most of my life without Apple and I know how to do it again.

Tell me, how do you avoid Google or Microsoft?

I was happily using GitHub before Microsoft bought it.

I was happily using YouTube before Google bought it and made it worse.

I can't avoid feeding my data to Google even if I don't use any of their services, through their Ads, Analytics etc. and who knows what kind of shadow profiles they build from just my proximity to their other users.

Now, every time I sign into YouTube I have to delete all Google cookies to avoid being automatically signed into Search.

> As mentioned opening the iphone box and giving Apple my personal information felt fantastic. The actual performance and quality was extremely dissapointing.

I've been using the iPhone since the 5S and honestly, every time I have to handle someone's Android (e.g. to show them how to do something quicker than telling them), I want to hand it back as soon as possible.

I have no idea why you are bringing up Microsoft and Google.

If you haven't taken a marketing class, I highly recommend it.

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