So, yes, if we have a tight definition of both "masks" and "work" we can say that masks work. But we don't care if a piece of fabric can catch droplets, we care if public use of masks in a pandemic helps slow the spread of that disease.
So, yes, if we have a tight definition of both "masks" and "work" we can say that masks work. But we don't care if a piece of fabric can catch droplets, we care if public use of masks in a pandemic helps slow the spread of that disease.
They do not test how long the masks stop droplet transmission. Other studies say that these masks start losing effectiveness as soon as you put them on, and most masks are ineffective after a few hours.
And, again, we do not care if masks stop droplet emission. (It's very likely that they do). What we care about is whether the public wearing masks in a pandemic stops virus transmission, and at the moment we don't know if it does or not.
“This is a very powerful visual tool to raise awareness that a very simple masks, like these homemade cotton masks, do really well to stop the majority of these respiratory droplets,” Fischer told CNN.
The study itself tests 14 masks.
You're just reinforcing your priors ...
1. https://nscr.nl/naleving-drukte-en-social-distancing-tijdens...
Statistical analysis from the South Carolina Department of Health.
https://scdhec.gov/news-releases/dhecs-third-data-analysis-m...
https://scdhec.gov/news-releases/update-mask-requirement-dat...
Some data someone else in the thread posted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24952278
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-corona...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-surgeon-general-jer...
Are people on HN actually too stupid to learn how to properly wear a mask in 8 months time? I don't believe that. I think that each of us is smart enough to do that research and train ourselves.
That attitude is precisely what’s wrong with this situation. An elite who’s prescribing technocrat-informed decisions instead of offering balanced and neutral scientific conclusions. Meanwhile you can point to a long line of completely wrong technocratic advice during the pandemic.
Always make sure you’re able to say “I might be completely wrong.”
And sure, I accept that I, and other scientists, make mistakes. To err is human. What about you?
But at any rate, we can see for ourselves how great an impact those mask mandates had:
https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/
https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/france-masks-ca...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-ma...
Mask mandates don't seem to be associated with any impact on the graphs of positive test results, anywhere. If they don't work then they should not be used for all kinds of reasons, dangerousness is by no means the only factor that should determine decisions. Consider also cost, impact on the environment, choking hazards, comfort, psychological distress created by the appearance of fear and so on.
But as some of the writing on this acknowledges, masks long ago became purely political, so we should expect people to keep arguing from different assumptions and not agreeing.
Mask proponents say we need to wear a mask to prevent us spreading our covid to other people.
When you touch your mask you transfer covid to your hands. You then need to clean your hands immediately. You may have excellent hand hygiene, but we know (because there are hundreds of studies on this) that most people do not wash their hands often enough, and don't wash their hands properly.
If the science is telling you to wear a mask it's telling you to keep it on and stop touching it.