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You have the timeline wrong. For example this is from August 2017:

“ Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure”

https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-201708...

American withdrew from the deal in May 2018 because Iran would not allow independent auditors to inspect all known or suspected sites.

See also this from 2015:

“The Iranian Nuclear-Inspection Charade Iran is allowed ample time, up to 24 days, to hide or destroy evidence before inspectors are given access.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-iranian-nuclear-inspection-...

There were other instances going back to 2005.

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No country would ever allow inspection of absolutely ALL MILITARY SITES, this is madness and an unavailable request designed as a pretext.

The UN atomic watchdog certified the Iranians were following the deal until sometime after the U.S. pulled out.

> No country would ever allow inspection of absolutely ALL MILITARY SITES,

Nobody asked for that. They asked for inspection of sites that show radionuclides emissions or specific heat signatures indicative of enrichment. I believe these are detected from satellite and environmental sensors. See:

https://news.mit.edu/2018/explained-detecting-threat-nuclear...

Update: Yes, this can be detected from satellite imagery:

http://www.princeton.edu/~aglaser/IT009-Glaser-2010-iGSE-New...

> The UN atomic watchdog certified the Iranians were following the deal until sometime after the U.S. pulled out.

Source?

> sites that show radionuclides emissions or specific heat signatures, etc.

The U.S. has claimed that. The UN watchdog says they followed the deal. I trust them over the U.S. for sure.

> American withdrew from the deal in May 2018

And yet, the Iranians STILL followed the deal for quite a bit longer.

> Source?

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-...

> The U.S. has claimed that. The UN watchdog says they followed the deal. I trust them over the U.S. for sure.

Indeed, I would, too. But it’s not just the US. It’s Britain, France, and Germany:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear/britain-fran...

Are you suggesting that all 4 countries are colluding together on this?

I am suggesting that Jan 14, 2020 is indeed way past May 2018 when the U.S. pulled out.

The EU was not able to ensure the benefits Iran agreed to the deal under because of secondary U.S. sanctions, so Iran pulled out. They would have no credibility left if they didn't.

> The U.S. has claimed that. The UN watchdog says they followed the deal. I trust them over the U.S. for sure.

Indeed, I would, too. But it’s not just the US. It’s Britain, France, and Germany:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear/britain-fran...

(Jan 14, 2020)

Are you suggesting that all 4 countries are colluding together on this?

> (Jan 14, 2020)

Yeah, exactly. This is way past the U.S. pullout from the deal. You're proving my point.

I can pull quotes from the articles you're linking too. Here's one from the first one:

> Trump has argued that Iran is violating the agreement struck under President Obama, although he has offered no evidence to support his claim and his administration has twice certified to Congress that Iran is in compliance.

For your second, that is no indication of any violation of the deal.

You avoided explaining your timeline error. Why?

From the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

"Before July 2015, Iran had a large stockpile of enriched uranium and almost 20,000 centrifuges, enough to create eight to 10 bombs, according to the Obama administration. ...

The agency's director-general, Yukiya Amano, said the report concluded that until 2003 Iran had conducted "a co-ordinated effort" on "a range of activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device"."

August 30, 2012: The IAEA reports that Iran increased the number of centrifuges installed at the Fordow enrichment plant and is continuing to produce uranium enriched to 20 percent in excess of its needs for the Tehran Research Reactor.

There are numerous indications that Iran did not live up to the deal for many years from credible sources that are NOT American.

But if you want to keep your head in the sand, there's nothing I or anyone else can do to change that. You've got your version of the truth, and I've got mine.

> "Before July 2015, Iran had ...

> Until 2003 ...

> August 30, 2012 ....

> There are numerous indications that Iran did not live up to the deal for many years from credible sources that are NOT American.

The Iran deal was signed in July 2015, so unclear how they were "not living up to the deal" prior to being a signatory.

I am not the one with their head in the sand here, have a good day.

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