I feel like Joplin (https://joplinapp.org/) should also get mentioned: storing notes in plain Markdown files, optionally synced via e.g. Dropbox. Bonus points for also having mobile apps that sync with the same backend.
I also had an idea to make a site where you could take notes and have them be auto-published (like the above, but as a service), to create a community of random knowledge dumps. Think of a Wikipedia, but made of personal sites and not as rigorous, with a very "personal Web 1.0 website" feel, but talking to a few friends it didn't seem like they saw much point in it.
> I also had an idea to make a site where you could take notes and have them be auto-published (like the above, but as a service), to create a community of random knowledge dumps. Think of a Wikipedia, but made of personal sites and not as rigorous, with a very "personal Web 1.0 website" feel, but talking to a few friends it didn't seem like they saw much point in it.
Alongside this idea, would you use a browser plugin that shares your bookmarks as a stream? Almost like a cross of the github "X starred Y" stream and Twitter (with none of the social-y features). I favorite a lot of things from day to day and would love to know what others are favoriting/finding as well.
Also, somewhat unrelated to that, would you pay for encrypted offsite joplin sync target/backups?
I'd love to make it possible to also share-from-joplin for single notes but that feature isn't there yet. The only way to make it happen otherwise would be synchronizing somewhere unencrypted (!) and then asking that somewhere to "publish" your notes. Unfortunately, since joplin doesn't have multiple "profiles" or any way to separate encryption keys or which notes are and aren't encrypted... it's hard to do that as well..
Agreed, I looked for a plugin but unfortunately found none.
> Alongside this idea, would you use a browser plugin that shares your bookmarks as a stream?
I don't really use bookmarks, whenever I come across an interesting page I put it in https://historio.us, but they're too few to make a stream out of...
> Also, somewhat unrelated to that, would you pay for encrypted offsite joplin sync target/backups?
I don't think so, I prefer doing my own hosting and NextCloud/WebDAV works quite well, so I wouldn't want yet another account to manage.
> Unfortunately, since joplin doesn't have multiple "profiles"
Yeah, I ran into this problem with my script as well, where I wanted some notes to be private. For those, I just created a notebook that has "private" in the name and put them all there, the script skips them. Tags might work as well.
Interesting! I'd never heard of historious, thanks for the link. I'm quite surprised that using that is easier than hitting Ctrl+D (in Firefox anyway), and doing the management there. I totally get it though.
> I don't think so, I prefer doing my own hosting and NextCloud/WebDAV works quite well, so I wouldn't want yet another account to manage.
Yep, I can see that, many who find their way to joplin are quite technologically independent and came to joplin precisely because of those reasons. I guess not many people would really want hosted WebDav when you can just hook up NextCloud/S3/OneDrive/etc.
> Yeah, I ran into this problem with my script as well, where I wanted some notes to be private. For those, I just created a notebook that has "private" in the name and put them all there, the script skips them. Tags might work as well.
Yeah -- tags would definitely be the way, but the problem is that I'd want someone to be able to publish an update from their phone (or at least from every platform possible), and be able to keep their encryption. Just spitballing, but imagine serving a sync/backup service that happens to also be able to spit out md-derived websites very very easily. Notion and it's ilk have features like that and people seem very excited about it. A notebook as a blogging platform also seems interesting/incredibly low friction. Could even be a podcasting platform if you attached audio to notes.
It's easier because I just hit a different shortcut and don't need to do any management at all afterwards, I can just search the content.
> I guess not many people would really want hosted WebDav when you can just hook up NextCloud/S3/OneDrive/etc.
Many people probably would, just not me :P
> A notebook as a blogging platform also seems interesting/incredibly low friction.
Yep, hence my idea of "notes as a site" in my first comment.
Reasonable, I clicked around their demo and I think I can see the value there.
> Yep, hence my idea of "notes as a site" in my first comment.
yeah this sounded like it'd fit great with the other hosted webdav thing, thanks for talking through it a bit!
That's exactly what I want to do too. Increasing the friction makes people less likely to share, so I want the community to feel very casual, so people aren't afraid to post even single-sentence brain dumps.
> For those who share their notes/kb publicly, whats your strategy?
You mean those who have already shared them? The advantage of a centralized site would be improved searchability, so you'd help more people.
Since I don't really aim to make money from this, it'd be open source, sort of like a Neocities vibe.
Would you like to email me at hi@stavros.io if you're interested (and whoever else reads this comment, please feel free). If I do end up making this I'll make it invite-only so I don't have to worry about spam (at least at first), and this would be a nice way to have a few early testers.
If I feel that a certain note can become its own piece of knowledge in a Zettlekasten fashion and can have any value for someone else, I put it in my public file and I run a script that will copy it to my hosting provider. My public site is a single file! [1].
TiddlyWiki has been around for a very long time, and it keeps evolving. My personal file has over 3,000 Tiddlers and it keeps growing. It's unbelievable all you can do in a single file with just HTML and JavaScript. As long as those standards exist in 20-30 years, I can be sure my files, all tags and all relationships are still available and highly usable.
[0] https://akhater.github.io/drift/
In the end, I ended up using Obsidian (https://obsidian.md). While typing (even in an outside editor), I can just go [[random reference]] -- and that will turn into a link, even if that page doesn't exist yet. When I eventually get to creating the page, it will already have back links from all the places it is used (something else I think Joplin doesn't have).
For my Zettelkasten and writing I use Obsidian. They are fantastic in tandem.
Why I won't be using it:
* If I live in Markdown, I want to edit it WYSIWYG. Maybe that's wrong, but I don't want to live in .md code mode (for this reason, I miss Evernote). I author in Typora, but I don't want to keep notes in MD.
* It's sync-ing options don't map to the most used syncing tech on desktops these days. I'd have to pay for Dropbox (given my current ecosystem) just to use it to sync.
* I want folders and sub-folders. Folders and tags don't work for me.
* I wish these systems had a built-in journal mode, like Roam.
- If you talk about google drive, you can use the file system sync and sync from there
- you can create notebooks and sub-notebooks
If you are still on the search, there is a great list: https://old.reddit.com/r/Evernote/comments/j87fb9/please_hel...