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> They should then think again about their choice of using teams.

Try saying that to a student who is using Teams on a school-issued laptop, by no choice of their own.

I'm not in any way defending how Microsoft handled this. Frankly, I'm ashamed of my former employer (though I worked in a completely different division). But your outrage toward the company should not extend to its unwitting users.

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There wouldn't be very many unwitting users if their software had a serious reputation for being a serious security risk.

Bullshit. Currently there are millions of children who are obligated to use Teams for their publicly funded education.

And thinking these huge metrics get changed by selling black hat exploits to what? Teach Microsoft a lesson? While harming an already vulnerable population (not just children are obligated to use Teams). As if the long term goal of educating "unwitting" users is advanced at all by blackhat behaviour.

Let's dump public education!

Deschooling is done on discord

Windows XP is still seen in the wild.

Microsoft has had a serious reputation for being a serious security risk for the 30 or so years I've been in IT. It's one of the oldest jokes in the industry. People and the world in general clearly do not work the way you apparently think they do.

Zoom still has a ton of users, and every single thing they make or do is a serious security risk (or has been in the past, evidencing a distinct lack of secure development culture).

Problems need to hit the users, otherwise the market is uninformed and cannot work.

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