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I agree with the sentiment and I don’t use Clojure as much as I did, partly for that reason.

I do recall Clojure/Quil being faster than Rust/Nannou in terms of the feedback loop, because once you’re running a REPL and you start to change and tweak things you can re-evaluate them live in the context of the running sketch.

Neither offers as fast a feedback loop as JS/P5.js, though, and for me Quokka gives much of the benefit of Clojure’s REPL but with less setup, faster boot, and consistency between editors.

It takes a couple seconds on my 2013 MacBook Air. You must have been downloading libraries if you had to wait 20 seconds on a beefy MPB. Once the JVM has started up, reloading code is very very fast. No need to completely restart the REPL unless you need to add a dependency. Also clojure has its own built in CLI now that is fully capable of replacing leiningen on every front. Now to start a repl you just need the `clj` command

Are you restarting the REPL on every change??

Why would need to keep restarting the REPL?