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Only if you use classical WinDgb instead of the new one.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/de...

Mac OS also is another example of having good graphical debuggers, even in the MPW days.

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I disagree. I was using WinDbg downloaded from the Microsoft Store (so it had the WPF or whatever UI), and it was unusable. (Note: I was using it on a very large project - 4mLOC with hundreds of first- and third-party libs; It's likely I could get some use out of it on a trivial program, but it just didn't get the "real" program; and no, I wasn't simply missing the PDBs).

Well it is still preview, but definitely much better than the classical one, from my point of view, which looks like created by kernel developers first attempt at a GUI app.

it was in fact created using state-of-the-art windows gui frameworks. in 1995. and then never updated. is it really an improvement to have a win10 settings app that is all unified... except for most of the advanced settings and half of the basic settings which are only available in the control panel?

Win 16 nor Win32 were never state of the art Windows GUI frameworks, just the basic building blocks.

That place is reserved for OWL, VCL and MFC, which WinDbg doesn't use.

my mistake. I thought MDI was new in Windows 95, but in fact it dates back to Windows 3.0, and was in fact deprecated by 95.

IMHO the original WinDbg UI was perfectly fine with the exception of a few small oddities; the new one is pointless trendchasing.

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