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I truly feel bad for you. At the same time I look at my own kids and find that the “want” is often temporary but the result is permanent. Of course they want a puppy but are very unlikely to be able to take care of it properly for 15 years. And the “want” is very much real, they firmly believe it to be their utmost desire. So how do I, as a parent, tell the difference between something they can and cannot take responsibility for, they can or cannot learn to live without?

I knew when I was around ~7 and that never went away. I don't really think of it like a "want" of a puppy because I had wants like a puppy too and those go away after a few weeks or months in childhood. It's not something like years and years of never going away.

Btw, most people don't consider that being denied something like I was and that has life long consequences as way more hurtful while knowing you were right; and others prevented you. Thinking about things in my life I've been wrong about, such events are way less painful because it felt like my fault when people weren't involved by stoping me from what was right. The painful events are when people involved prevent what was right for you. Basically, it's way more awful when you undergo the wrong circumstances because of someone else that prevented what you knew was right instead of undergoing what was wrong by your own mistake. I tried my best to make that not confusing before I go to sleep.

Just adopt a puppy from a shelter and give it back when/if the kids get bored of it (maybe even donate them so that they have money to keep the dog). I also wanted a dog when I was a child, my parents didn't let me have it, but now I have living conditions when I wouldn't be able to, so it's too late to have one.

You see if that desire has been a fixed and constant part of their life since a young age. You check whether they can relieve their distress using any other methods. You check the severity of their distress.

Is your life really not worth saving if you cannot receive the surgeries? I cannot know how you feel about your life and its impossible for me to decide how you ought to feel but I also can't help but feel like there is always some degree of hope.

Could a case be made that they failed to get you the help you needed earlier and thus ought to foot the bill now?

Is it reasonably possible that you might earn enough to pay for it?

Could you raise money from others to do so?

Why not all 3 raise and earn money for it while trying to recoup expenses in court?

Thanks but I've never been a person to accept charity. Basically, I grew up in USA as a Canadian Citizen cause parents moved to USA when I was young. Lived in a really bad area of Michigan from childhood to adulthood. I now finally live in Quebec away from that dreaded past. Yah life isn't worth living as my other comments somewhat explain.

In Canada I haven't had success getting surgeries coverage for fixing either my voice or face from what characteristics people gender me. I tried for a few years to get coverage and even appealed my insurance's decision against my psychiatrist's letter saying the surgeries are medically necessary. I went to a surgeon that's the head surgeon for the surgeries transwomen get and he said none of his colleagues understand Gender Dysphoria to know why the surgeries should be medically necessary. The public insurance only cares about the surgeon's opinion.

So I've basically given up on coverage. I find it even more irritating nowadays since I've read about the common cancers when I was diagnosed. Women that get breast cancer have no problems getting full coverage for breast reconstruction under the public insurance. I think that obviously should be a thing but it feels like added sting to my situation since I've not even had success with breasts from HRT by starting after puberty.

Anyway I tried enough I think and worked hard, but life just never wanted things to work out. I think I'm just cursed in life so MAiD makes sense. The judgement is found here for the coverage request if you're interested: http://citoyens.soquij.qc.ca/php/decision.php?ID=C97168147E6...

abellerose you are only 30 years old, please choose life. Things will get better.

I am sure you have so much good to experience in this world if you find the right environment and people around you.

If you want to talk please send a hi and we can go from there, email is in my profile.

I've been told by my Oncologist I only have a year left to live if I don't get treatment. That was back in October. There's really no reason to live as a disfigured person for all people. Some people can do it and I respect those individuals. I rather continue just taking morphine (otherwise I cannot walk) and get assisted dying after the snow melts. I feel like I've enjoyed enough of this life that I could. I'll email you if you don't mind my mentality, I always like to write to someone about anything. It's my favorite way to pass the time.

>It's basically comparable to a cis kid having the wrong hormones damaging their body through puberty like a boy growing breasts and people just shrug their shoulders when it's a trans kid.

One mistake leaves a person sterile. One doesn't.

I never wanted kids and would argue that sperm banking is an option if that's a fear. I don't see your argument any different than forcing one's beliefs on others to prevent a medical treatment that oneself desires as well. Lastly, majority of people I know nowadays aren't even having kids.

Of course, for some people sterility is not a problem. For some, it is a massive problem.

Parents have a right to force their beliefs onto their children if their beliefs are reasonable. Their children will often thank them for it when they've become adults.

You're dismissing sterility as a non-issue when it is a massive issue for many people, and moreover, you're obfuscating the fact that this is about children, and the potential to undergo life-altering treatment with no psychiatric evaluation and little-to-no consultation.

The court case is about PBs. PBs do not cause sterility.

Either you know that and don't care, or you don't know that, but either way it means you're not discussing in good faith.

> Parents have a right to force their beliefs onto their children if their beliefs are reasonable.

This court case said that combined parental consent and child consent was not enough, and that the court could ignore the wishes of the parent.

> and the potential to undergo life-altering treatment with no psychiatric evaluation and little-to-no consultation.

Simply untrue.

What's bad faith is claiming that what myself and the OP were discussing is merely PB, when in reality it's about the full hormone therapy treatment regiment involved in gender transitioning.

But way to score a point on pedantic grounds.

>This court case said that combined parental consent and child consent was not enough

I was responding to the OP's point, that claimed I was arguing for forcing my beliefs on others. I was making the point that in principle, it can be perfectly okay for parents to force their beliefs on their children.

It depends on the circumstances and the specific details of the case. I was not making an argument for or against parental privilege for any specific case.

Puberty blockers have a <manageable> risk for sterility and loss of bone density. This must be weighed against the very acute rate of suicidality.

Is there any evidence of puberty blockers reducing the rate of suicide?