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why? are you forced to work on windows?

PowerShell is supported on Linux and macOS as well [1]

I completely agree with the parent that PowerShell blows the existing shell options out of the water. Having pipelines with objects rather than just text makes everything so much easier. Instead of spending an hour futzing with awk or regex or applicatioons like jq to parse values from command results you can just access what you want directly and get on with your work.

1. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/instal...

I'm glad you're productive in your CLI tool usage but just because it takes you an hour futzing with basic *nix tools doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. Powershell is extremely cumbersome for me due to the sheer verbosity of each command and the apparent MO of "let's come up with a new name for everything" and "sensible defaults? what's that?"

Yes, awk and jq “just work” for me: whether it’s because I’ve trained myself through constant usage or whatever, I’ve yet to understand the supposed benefits of a richer IPC mechanism than byte streams.

I just don't want to have to type that much physically, let alone the verbose commands and slightly odd syntax you often have to memorize. I know some love it, but I'm much happier with just using bash everywhere, even though msys/git bash on windows has its' own quirks, WSL ftw though.

You don't have to type the full commands. Most installs come with a full list of aliases: https://pastebin.com/eHsTUaRQ

For instance on my system:

   Get-ChildItem -> gci or ls


   Select-String -> grep

With tabcompletion you do not need to have aliases, but you need to name your commands in a sane way, having the meaningless words forst like powershell does is really cumbersome for tabbing. Examples: Where-, Get-, Remove-, Export-, From-, Select-, Invoke-

Nice list of aliases though.

Menu completion is even better if you haven't tried it!

FWIW I'm talking about CLI, I have little experience with menu completion, but how does menu completion solve the Get-<TAB> problem it will give too many hits and parsing that will take too long. Menu-completion in Intellij, and it's ilk, is more about discoverablity than fast typing then you can take your time parsing the output.

PowerShell is, in my opinion, quite discoverable and usable with a few commands to find your footing. I don't memorize a lot, because it's so well-structured and intuitive for the most part that once you get the basic structure it's easy to hack around with the docs.

Three commands that are useful to memorize, though, (particularly if you're having trouble remembering names) are Get-Command, Get-Alias (also with -Definition), and Get-Member. Get-Command gets you info about a command, like if it's an alias or not, and the path if it's a unix command. Get-Alias shows you all the active aliases, and Get-Alias -Definition shows you the active aliases for a given command. Get-Member shows you all the members of an object which can help you with Select-Object and Where-Object and so on.

No, but I'm a gamer at my core and I develop on the JVM so I have no need to interface with the kernel. Windows just works for me.

Iirc powershell is cross platform.

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