Ronald Kline's The Cybernetic Moment, Or Why We Call Our Age The Information Age charts this historical boundary work in fascinating detail. https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/cybernetics-moment
Ronald Kline's The Cybernetic Moment, Or Why We Call Our Age The Information Age charts this historical boundary work in fascinating detail. https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/cybernetics-moment
Is it not possible for you to sum it up here? What's with the tease. Articulate why and post a sentence or two explaining it.
edit: and in your bio, you have "my PhD on Norbert Wiener", ffs
This said, Von Neumann considered information theory to originate in Leo Szillard's work from the 30s (Maxwell demon analogy), but that's a bit of an outlier position as it's quite obtuse.
Wiener is partly written out because his communication theory (a term Shannon, like Wiener used as a synonym for information theory, but which has come to identify Wiener in distinction to Shannon) was considered too philosophical. His accounts for things which cannot necessarily be measured and tested objectively - the quantity of meaning, as opposed to cliche, in a sentence, for example. Cybernetics also suffered a huge fall out of fashion in the US during the second half of the '50s, even though it's ideas spread everywhere. The coining of 'artificial intelligence' in Dartmouth to escape the cybernetic baggage of 'learning machines', the invention of hci, personal vomputer, the internet, for example. It re-emerged in the late 60s as 'second order cybernetics', with a focus especially on organism, but by this point the computer world had long disassociated itself from the organic and the social, in the sense found in Wiener's cybernetics. As Bateson, Mead and Stuart Brand put it, many of the original figures from the circles of Wiener and Shannon 'went off into input-output'. Computer science.[1]
Follow from this the popular, commercially-driven jargons of 'information technology' and 'information revolution' of the 1960s, which reduced Shannon and Wiener's rich concept to a catch-all for anything vaguely related to digital computers, and Shannon comes out a much simpler founding father than Wiener.
If you've read this far I'd suggest you now go and read Kline's brilliant Cybernetic Moment ;)
What I've always admired about Weiner is precisely his sensitivity to the social ramifications of his work and area of research. Rare bird, indeed.
(p.s. thanks for book ref.)
People have been writing more on Norbert Wiener than on Claude Shannon, and I can only assume that it's mostly in the context of the information age.
To make another comparison: Alan Turing outpaced Shannon in 1976 and is now more than twice as 'popular' as Wiener.