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Remote Chaos Communication Congress – Streams

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just finished my talk. Setup was a bit more chaotic than the last years. Yet worked so far ... Impressive what the chaos collective could setup this year. hello from Tokyo :)

https://kaikunze.de/post/2020-12-27-boiling-mind/

Out of interest, based on your comment from having done last year's as well, how did you feel the experience was as a speaker?

A lot of the videos seem to be recorded by screen capture of live streams of screen captures, but I was wondering (as someone that organises events from time to time, which will now need to be online) if there's any other software being used behind the scenes that would help with putting together "fancy" streams, rather than capturing the output of a video chat tool?

Just got up …. was sleeping after the talk :)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn’t talk the last years in Leipzig. Just in Hamburg and Berlin [1,2,3] Can just compare it to the process then.

Overall, the communication was quite professional, I had a single contact who managed my talk (she assigned me chaos angel, a herold, a contact to the translation and recording team).

This might be helpful for you: https://c3voc.de/wiki/events:rc3:speakers-prep

I first thought about pre-recording the talk, yet due to little time I went with a teaser movie ( 5 min) and live talk (from Tokyo).

We tested the connection a week early (OBS.Ninja).

What was interesting, I received mail from several people (usually 2) about the chats or next steps, especially if something was time critical. So it seems they had some kind of backup mechanism in case I person didn’t ping you. The first email to me also outlined the whole process (what to do when).

About 40 min before the talk I was invited into the speakers corner online chat. Usually, when you arrived at the congress you were to checkin at the speakers corner and they went over the process with you … asking you for slides for the translator team introducing you to the herald etc. This happened all in the chat and over email now.

We started to setup, unfortunately there were technical problems with the setup we tested the week before (the self-coded OBS.Ninja version was out and some other glitch).

Over checking all other options, we went with a Jitsi solution. I had a herald and 2 other tech angels in a Jitsi chat when starting the presentation. They told me when to start, the herald introduced me, the tech staff gave me feedback on when they started to play the video. We discussed the talk and how to introduce /moderate … very similar to how an in person talk would work at the previous congresses.

We had a short technical difficulty with the stream (short outage to the media.ccc.de website), the tech angel told me as it happened and when I could continue talking (Recording was still going on). So far, there were no hiccups with the

Overall, given the technical issues and other glitches, it was a great experience. For some friends listening in US, Germany and Japan, the talk was smooth and watchable (except the about 30 sec. drop technical glitch). Pretty awesome, also for being in the first talk this year.

Surprisingly way more professional than most other online conferences, events I was part of the last year.

It's wired to give a presentation without feedback though. One of the main reasons I give talks at the chaos communication congresses, are the questions and chats after the talk (the most critical audience you can get ... for me always a pleasure to go through comments and discussions ... having a talk on one of the first days is usually great, as people will just ping you randomly about it when walking around. I got so many cool research ideas over those exchanges). This time, no direct questions after the talk :S Yet, I already received 4 feedback mails with cool ideas in them :D :D

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8225-beyond_virtual_and_augmente...

[2] https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_6460_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412292...

[3] https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5387_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201312272...

Thanks for this! Really useful to see how the experience went, and what worked as a speaker. I find the same issue with no audience feedback, but it is good to hear that you've already received mail directly. I guess the loss of in-person spontaneous questions is one downside - was there any "live Q&A" time via chat questions? I've seen that work quite well sometimes in past in-person CCCs, and imagine that it could work if people were watching synchronously.

Perhaps in the world of async, we now need to focus more on the Q&A via email in slow-time, but therefore be able to have more meaningful interactions.

All in all sounds like a pretty good experience, and interesting to see their approach to Jitsi in making this work! thanks

There was an opportunity to ask questions in the IRC. yet, just a couple of comments, no questions. It seems also compared to the next days there were rather few people in the chat (~100, now around ~500 - 600 ).

Agree, usually the async feedback works usually quite well. I guess next time I per-record the talk and will engage in the chat myself. That's what Stelarc did during his Augmented Humans keynote (actually we, some friends of mine and me recorded his talk before the conference). Amazing artist and really nice person btw. He was in the chat during the playback and started answering questions, prepared answers for the Q&A. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p44RVyD5Qt8

Chat-based interaction certainly sounds like it could work for tech-focused events - I think for CCC one of the challenges is the sheer number of parallel talks, and keeping track of them.

Pre-recorded talks definitely seems like the way to go and having participation in the chat for Q&A seems like it would work well for an engaged and "fast typing" audience.

Thanks for your all your insights here - very useful to see what does and doesn't work for events. I think the move towards "hybrid" online and in-person events will be when it gets interesting.

Fahrplan/timetable (first day today): https://rc3.world/rc3/public_fahrplan

Alternative layout: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/rc3/2020/Fahrplan/

Well that's bad.

I can't see anything past "xhain Berlin" with no horizontal scroll.

You are right: the horizontal scroll only appears if you scroll down to the bottom of the page. But there is also a (more sensibly layouted) program shown on each streaming page (e.g. https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/two, "Fahrplan" tab)

There is, just no scrollbar for some reason, but left / right keys work (at least in firefox)

Oh I tried that as well, but it turns out I had to click within the graph for left/right to work. Thanks!

Yeah, the page is quite a disaster. The fonts are pretty terrible to read and it insists of saying all the dates and times in american format which makes it hard to glance -_-

I was glad to remember ublock origin has a 'block remote fonts' button.

The phone apps are a lot more usable (and I think there’s a feed that can be put into your conference-schedule-app of choice somewhere, though I can’t find it now)

If you missed a talk there is relive where you can rewatch content.

https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/relive

Trying to just listen to the Bruce Schneier stream and its unusable.

Bitwäscherei stream is butter smooth though. Maybe his internet is just bad.

The Schneier stream is pretty much unusable, although it seems that the conversation between the speakers is going fine, so the issue must be in the capture and/or streaming broadcast system.

What's a shame is that it doesn't seem like there's anyone monitoring the streams or able to communicate with the speakers out-of-band to let them know there's an issue. Hopefully they have a local copy of the stream they can upload as well, since the snippets that do work are interesting.

I had heard somewhere that the virtual worlds were running through the Jitsi Meet teleconferencing server. I was really hoping to get a chance to see their code and see how they handled some issues of connections that are plaguing my own use of Jitsi Meet.

edit: found it. Here is rC3's repository https://git.hacksaar.de/hacksaar/rc3

they are using https://workadventu.re

Main site: https://rc3.world/rc3/

I don't quite understand: Why do I need a login to access anything there? And why are the tickets limited? I would have expected that they have the knowledge to make the infrastructure be able to scale up to any number. And I would be happy to pay for that.

For one, they didn't invent the platform they're using for the purpose of the conference so they're paying per user. I believe they're using https://gather.town/pricing

If that's not a satisfying answer, chalk it up to tradition. The streams are provided free for an unlimited number of users. Maybe they only want to deal with the customer service side of a few thousand attendees.

Some other commenter pointed out they are using https://workadventu.re/

Thanks! I didn't know there was more than one of these

Thought RC3 stood for "Ron's Code 3", and I immediately clicked, but then realized it wasn't about cryptography.

For the record, rC3 means "remote Chaos Communication Congress".

FWIW, I strongly suspect there will be some stuff about cryptography in there somewhere.

I tried to build my own audio stream coming from a web-hosted synth. Read more on it here: https://timdaub.github.io/2020/12/27/wasm-stream/

And come visit our assembly!

The stream (https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/) is... kaput:

500 Borken

Does this conference have a companion app like the FOSDEM Companion to check schedule and so forth?

Yes, just search for rC3 on your App/Play store.

It's actually much better than the website.

everyone has got FOMO..

Why don't the organisers simply curate a playlist? Why tune in synchronously?

Are there interactive sessions? I can't see any hint of that aspect. Go async.

There is an entire pixel world created where participants can walk around and share video and audio. There are also sessions, music and other stuff happening that attempts to recreate the experience of being at CCC.

Here is me in an assembly that belongs to some friends. They have tried recreating the Cyberdelia club from the movie Hackers (1995) among other things.

https://paste.xinu.at/sweRSnfJwMo4vDXHzmo/

meh... why don't they at least publish an IRC back channel?

ircs://irc.hackint.org:6697 (https://hackint.org/) was active last time I was at CCC, try that.

Many assemblies run their own IRC servers as well, should not be that hard to find.

Click on the stream. Click on "Chat" and you will see a direct link to the IRC channel for that room.

There are also multiple IRC rooms for assemblies, workshops, discussion topics and more.

Did you actually try look into this event before being dismissive after reading the title?

Sorry, yes, I looked at the closest I found was an Ambient Room.

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